The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

[Gandalf the Red]

Don't take anything that the self promoted Taxpayers Alliance say seriously. They are nothing but a right wing bunch of loons that make The Tea Party and UKIP seem sane. I'm surprised that the media even give them any publicity. I bet half of them don't even pay any tax. At least one member is a non UK taxpayer.

In October 2009 Elliott admitted that an unpaid non-executive director of the group, Alexander Heath, had not paid any British taxes for several years as he resides in the Loire, France. Heath has lived and paid taxes in France since 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaxPayers%27_Alliance

[Tet]

I think the implying that we shouldn't care about the welfare of pensioners because they'll be dead soon is what makes him a scumbag.

But that's not what he said.

[keera_envenomed]

I think the implying that we shouldn't care about the welfare of pensioners because they'll be dead soon is what makes him a scumbag.

But that's not what he said.

According to that news report, that's exactly what he said. That and they might just forget who screwed them over due to having senior moments which is equally insulting.

Mr Wild, who is research director of the think tank which campaigns for lower taxes and highlights examples of Government waste, said the cuts should be made "as soon as possible after an election for two reasons".

"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election. So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then."

[Tet]

According to that news report, that's exactly what he said.

No, it's really not. You're reading what you what into that, rather than what he actually said. Nowhere did he mention, or even imply, not caring about pensioners. Now I suspect he doesn't, but that's a different issue.

That and they might just forget who screwed them over due to having senior moments which is equally insulting.

No it's not. It's the truth. If you're choosing to get insulted by the truth, regardless of how unpalatable it may be, then the problem lies with you. Expressing the truth is not insulting.

[houston4044]

Wow, what a scumbag.

A scumbag? For pointing out that we're spending more than we're getting in, that high levels of public spending are unsustainable and that cuts need to be made?

I think the [u]implying that we shouldn't care about the welfare of pensioners because they'll be dead soon is what makes him a scumbag.[/u]

So that's why Cameron isn't taking Corbyn seriously...

[keera_envenomed]

According to that news report, that's exactly what he said.

No, it's really not. You're reading what you what into that, rather than what he actually said. Nowhere did he mention, or even imply, not caring about pensioners. Now I suspect he doesn't, but that's a different issue.

That and they might just forget who screwed them over due to having senior moments which is equally insulting.

No it's not. It's the truth. If you're choosing to get insulted by the truth, regardless of how unpalatable it may be, then the problem lies with you. Expressing the truth is not insulting.

I'm sorry but if you say someone's opinion doesn't matter because they'll be dead soon, you don't care! That's hardly reading things into it - that's a basic knowledge of human empathy.

And it's not the truth that pensioners will just forget because they are old. Granted in some cases it'll be true but it's still (insert forum meme here) making massive generalisations. Many older people are still perfectly capable of recalling who was in government 5 years previously. My grandad was as sharp mentally as he ever was almost until they day he died aged 85.

Seriously though, where is that meme? It's too good to lost forever.

[Jobdone]

Seriously though, where is that meme? It's too good to lost forever.

Everything is awful forever. Googled it, it's gone

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3043 ... ations.png

[keera_envenomed]

Seriously though, where is that meme? It's too good to lost forever.

Everything is awful forever. Googled it, it's gone

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3043 ... ations.png

Nooooo

[Jobdone]

Seriously though, where is that meme? It's too good to lost forever.

Everything is awful forever. Googled it, it's gone

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3043 ... ations.png

Nooooo

I'll have to check my external tonight, there's no way I haven't got that saved somewhere.

[houston4044]

I understand the sentiment of the statement to a degree (not to the point of pretty much calling old people coffin dodgers) that perhaps cuts should be made towards older generations (as much as a politically suicidal move this would be) as a lot of (scarce) resources are being spent on investments that won't have many returns. It's a painful and harsh truth but it's true, everyone everywhere is facing cuts but pensioners are almost a protected government department because of the amount of votes they carry.

The Tory conference is scary as usual, hearing some of the ways they pander to their audience makes you realize just how destructive they're going to be

[Gandalf the Red]

No. It's rich pensioners that get all the extras such as tax breaks, not the ones on bog standard pensions. And I know a hell of a lot more about this than most who post on here as I work for Age UK.

Yes they get "free" bus passes and TV licences (75 and over). But how many are actually mobile enough to even go out? How many can actually afford a TV? When you know that some pensioners have a choice whether to put the heating on or eat then there's something wrong with the country. And stupid comments from a multi millionaire who nobody has ever voted for is not helpful.

[houston4044]

Turns out it was all spin. Release a report just before the PM's speech at conference suggesting the hammer should fall on one group, dismiss it outright as unfair and immoral, pledge not to cut from that group. So in one fell swoop the PM looks like he's defending his main voting block from cuts, making cuts elsewhere to others look moral and make himself look the good guy.

So 5 months in and I'm already cynical, going to be a long 5 years

[slayerslays]

Now he has professed his love for jihadi john in so many words, and given the events of last night- then I really loathe him now, he is dangerous, and a typical politician courting the votes of those that will breed him into power.

[Andy (Dr Sin)]

Jeremy Corbyn is a piece of shit.

[Gandalf the Red]

Are people only just learning about Corbyn's vile love of terrorists? This is the scumbag that called the IRA "heroes" when they blew up the hotel in Brighton, supported the Argies during the Falklands War and encourages suicide bombers in Israel. That's just a few of the many "causes" that he believes in.

Yet he makes himself out as a pacifist. Go figure.