bloodofthekings wrote:metaldinosaur wrote:Noodle wrote:It certainly does no harm whatsoever to respect a human's gender choice. I don't really understand anyone's refusal to do so. "This person identifies as a woman. What do I gain or lose by calling her a man?"
You potentially lose a lot. There are some very good reasons to question this 'respect' imo. (The deconstruction of certainty and its social consequence would be my main approach). But as ever, when the societal perception has shifted so far in the direction of openness/'acceptance', it has to be meticulously unpicking to uncover it. The self evidenced of 'doing the tight thing' is tanted by mass conformity, so scrutiny and rigor must be applied to the opposing view to reveal justification. In short: the (mean average) social power behind trans identity is crazy powerful - too powerful... and that's not good.
It doesn't mean there aren't reasons to be kind to the individual, there are, which is why I do it, but its appears that any other way of thinking is not allowed at the moment. If Vicky had stood her ground, it could well have been the end of bloodstock... that level of power is crazy. And that doesn't feel right to me.
There is a massive difference though between the content of your posts on this subject to the petulant rant that Vicky posted. Even though I don't agree with everything you've said on this, you're clearly putting thought into your posts and taking time to articulate them properly.
Vicky didn't do that - without provocation she posted a childish tantrum of a tweet and then tried to play the victim. It didn't have any thought put into it and seemed to be nothing more than someone trying to stir shit for the sake of it and then not being able to handle the backlash, which as someone who is so active on social media, she should have seen coming a mile off.
To say that is something that Vicky could have "stood her ground" on is giving too much credit to what was nothing more than an unnecessary, angry tweet
Well... I guess your right. Ha!
I do think what she did/said was not the way to go. Not at all.
But here is the thing: Vicky is most likely not capable enough with language, emotionally dextrous enough for deep empathetic reasoning; or cognitively capable enough around social mechanics/perceptions to articulate herself properly. She is not alone either, she is in fact representative of most people really, on all sides of the debate. Indeed, there are not many people on the 'pro-trans side' who possess more eloquence and insight than Vicky, but they do have the massive weight of social concensus behind them... so it doesn't, for them, matter. With the concensus behind you, you can be as blunt and as reactionary and even as mean as you like, because you're righteousness is ordained by populist belief. Vicky may well have done all things you said, but (if I am to draw this out a little on a string) the feeling behind it potentially has greater purpose and weight than she can muster. She will have reasons, even if she can't say what they are without causing... er... all this.
So yes, I'm giving her too much credit, but only to readdress the balance vs the mob, who are very much in possession of way too much credit themselves.
(Side note- Im not knocking Vicky overall, she is clearly a highly capable person in other ways - the festival is incredibly successful, and I imagine she is far more successful than most people here, including me... Still, I won't miss the booking of Hatebreed and the like,
urg).
