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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Noodle » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:37 pm

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Applecore wrote:Do the rioting students not realise that the multiple news crews filming them (a lot of which will be in HD) will be more than cooperative in handing all images of them over to the police..? I hope the cunts are found, kicked out of their unis and charged.
The one plus side of the raise in fees will be stopping twats like them going to uni in the future.


What, you mean people who are willing to do something more than go for a walk to make their point? Clause 4, man. In 1997 Labour took a part out of Kier Hardie's manifesto for the Labour Party that said:

"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service"


'Hand' is a reference to physical resistance against those who are, in this case, crippling workers before they have a chance to start and will never see the 'full fruits' of their labours. It was removed because New Labour thought it'd scare the middle classes. And that's exactly why these fees and cuts have come around; the Baby Boomers have screwed the pooch so badly the only way to get themselves out of it and not risk their comfortable retirement (because, fuck, Hell will freeze over before that happens) is to take money away from the younger population.

You want something to change, then you've got to fight for it...they're not going to back down because of a peaceful protest, Nick Clegg has made himself the biggest traitor of the decade, turning his back on his policies in his election manifesto so he can sit in at No. 10. Give him a bit of power and he's just the same as Cameron or Brown.


Poll Tax Riots worked. The Peace March against the war in Iraq didn't. Figure it out.

This is one of my biggest gripes. Who won the fucking election? Did the Lib Dems? No. Sure, they're in the coalition, but let's think about this for a minute. Conservatives won 307 seats. Lib Dems won 57. Can you really expect the Lib Dems to have that much clout within the government in terms of policies? Can you justifiably call them traitors for simply not having all THAT much power?

Would you rather the Conservatives had full control over the country?

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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Twaddlefish » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:44 pm

No, they didn't. But no further tuition fees rise was part of the coalition deal that he struck with the Tories.

Besides, he opposed the rise in tuition fees and he's fallen in line with the Tories calling it a 'progressive plan', a power hungry mongrel snapping at Cameron's heels.

From Reuters:

"Free university tuition had been a cornerstone of the Lib Dems' election campaign before it entered government with the right-leaning Conservatives in May. Legislators, including Clegg, had signed pledges not to vote for a rise."
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:45 pm

Do you students realise that your tuition is still the best value in Europe?

Also, don't worry if your household income is 10k, you won't pay anything back until your individual income is > £21k.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Twaddlefish » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:47 pm

All the while accruing interest on it. :|
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:48 pm

Twaddlefish wrote:All the while accruing interest on it. :|

Only in line with inflation.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Prometherion91 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:49 pm

siliconfury wrote:Do you students realise that your tuition is still the best value in Europe?

Also, don't worry if your household income is 10k, you won't pay anything back until your individual income is > £21k.

£15k, isn't it?
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Twaddlefish » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:49 pm

siliconfury wrote:
Twaddlefish wrote:All the while accruing interest on it. :|

Only in line with inflation.


Until it rises again. My interest rate was 4.8% until last year and it was forced down.

Prom: it goes up under the new legislation.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:50 pm

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siliconfury wrote:Do you students realise that your tuition is still the best value in Europe?

Also, don't worry if your household income is 10k, you won't pay anything back until your individual income is > £21k.

£15k, isn't it?


Currently, but it's being upped to £21k should the lower cap be raised to £6k.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:50 pm

Twaddlefish wrote:
siliconfury wrote:
Twaddlefish wrote:All the while accruing interest on it. :|

Only in line with inflation.


Until it rises again. My interest rate was 4.8% until last year and it was forced down.


Odd, mine (Though SAAS) has matched BoE interest rates (3% - 0.5%) each year for the past 4 years.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Immort_Reaper » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:52 pm

Prometherion91 wrote:
siliconfury wrote:Do you students realise that your tuition is still the best value in Europe?

Also, don't worry if your household income is 10k, you won't pay anything back until your individual income is > £21k.

£15k, isn't it?

They raised it, alongside tuition fees.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Twaddlefish » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:56 pm

Were you a Scottish student studying in England? Could've been it. Yeah, mine was 4.8% from 2006 to about halfway through last year. £5 a month at £15k a year didn't even cover the interest! :lol:
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Danroush » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:57 pm

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This. 100% this.


Oh hai massive sweeping statement

Thanks, you phrased it much better than I would :lol:

*seriously worried about fees, as he only has a household income of £10k a year*

Nice to know I'm "the sort of twat" who won't be going. :|

:lol: Looks like the second part of my post is agreeing with Fjar there
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:57 pm

Twaddlefish wrote:Were you a Scottish student studying in England? Could've been it. Yeah, mine was 4.8% from 2006 to about halfway through last year. £5 a month at £15k a year didn't even cover the interest! :lol:


Nah Scottish in Scotland. Fees were paid by central government but loans were underwitten by the SLC.
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Jim » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:02 pm

Fundamental (yet political) question for you students:

Would you rather personally invest in public services that you yourself use, or would you pay for services that you don't, but others might?
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Re: A free-for-all thread

Postby Immort_Reaper » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:04 pm

siliconfury wrote:Fundamental (yet political) question for you students:

Would you rather invest in public services that you yourself use, or would you pay for services that you don't, but others might?

Depends whether I fell into the larger number, is the obvious answer. Though that is a very general question; there would be a far greater number of factors.
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