The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

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How will you vote in the 2019 UK General Election?

Conservative
1
6%
Labour
7
41%
Liberal Democrat
4
24%
SNP
0
No votes
Brexit
1
6%
Green
2
12%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
0
No votes
Won't Vote
2
12%
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:27 pm

Double post and it won't let me delete.....

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:45 am

Gandalf the Red wrote:All I can say Is the country went downhill when they let women vote... :eyes:
Tolkien said England had been going downhill since the Norman Conquest.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:33 pm

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But would that have happened under the Cons as well?
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:28 pm

Metalchemyst wrote:Image

But would that have happened under the Cons as well?


More than likely, a strong economy and high living standards is going to attract people from countries that have lower living standards, regardless of who was in government it would of attracted people. The only difference the Tories could have made would of is limit non-EU migrants, at which point your essentially swapping one group of people for another (maybe a small change in the overall number of people but not a sea change moment).

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:18 am

Extremely doubtful.

Labour could have put a limit on EU migration when they had the choice, but didn't, apart from Romanians and Bulgarians which were delayed. They actively encouraged migration. We could have even totally opted out as we did the Euro.

Immigration isn't a bad thing in general. It's just the fact that for every skilled worker such as a doctor, nurse, builder, electrician, etc. you get countless unskilled workers who just turn up and do the jobs that the natives should be doing. I remember in the 1980s and 1990s when loads of people from my neck of the woods would go down South to do fruit, veg and hop picking and also work in the holiday camps and hotels. So all that rubbish that is spouted on TV that the fruit won't get picked is bollocks.

That's not to mention the lack of infrastructure such as schools and housing, especially in the smaller towns that many of these migrants have moved to.

The whole thing was badly thought out as usual.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Given how pro business the Tories are, they would have come around to opening the boarders given a lot of business' are pro migration. Hell, it was probably better that we had a Labour government at the time, the Tories wouldn't have invested in the infrastructure the same way Labour did and it would of compounded the current situation were in now (economically we'd still be in roughly the same position anyway as the '07 would've happened regardless).

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:32 pm

As a thought experiment, suppose net migration had been kept close to zero since 1993. What difference would that have made?
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:12 pm

Metalchemyst wrote:As a thought experiment, suppose net migration had been kept close to zero since 1993. What difference would that have made?


To me? Nothing, migration didn't factor into my vote (the way the EU is run and the gaping issues it has as an institution were my biggest qualms). But I imagine it would have dented the leave vote quite a bit. Personally I think the sluggish growth of living standards post crash was the biggest factor in the rise of anti-EU sentiment, I imagine if standards had picked up quicker a lot earlier people wouldn't care so much if they felt they were benefiting from it.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Slev » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:10 pm

TBF, most people voting leave either did it in spite of migration, or because they blame migration for unrelated phenomena.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Tet » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:58 pm

Slev wrote:TBF, most people voting leave either did it in spite of migration, or because they blame migration for unrelated phenomena.

So the media would have you believe. Even allowing for selection bias, that doesn't seem to reflect the reality that I see, though. Among the people I know that voted to leave (myself included), migration was pretty low down on the list of reasons.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:01 am

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:34 pm

But they reckon the AfD will have little influence because none of the other parties will directly cooperate with them. I suppose they act as a strong pressure group though.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:53 pm

I see they are all in a position to take back Breslau. :evillaff:
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:31 pm

Fun game- have a look at who on your Facebook newsfeed is showing outrage about the Catalan referendum crackdown and seen how many of them were opposed to Brexit and demanded the result be overturned/ignored.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

It's quite funny watching the arguments between both sides of the Scottish independence issue as they argue over who gets to appropriate whats happening in Catalonia and how it justifies their point of view.