The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

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How will you vote in the 2017 UK General Election?

Conservative
9
20%
Labour
21
46%
Liberal Democrat
10
22%
SNP
1
2%
UKIP
2
4%
Green
1
2%
Other
1
2%
Won't Vote
1
2%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Given how pro business the Tories are, they would have come around to opening the boarders given a lot of business' are pro migration. Hell, it was probably better that we had a Labour government at the time, the Tories wouldn't have invested in the infrastructure the same way Labour did and it would of compounded the current situation were in now (economically we'd still be in roughly the same position anyway as the '07 would've happened regardless).

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:32 pm

As a thought experiment, suppose net migration had been kept close to zero since 1993. What difference would that have made?
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:12 pm

Metalchemyst wrote:As a thought experiment, suppose net migration had been kept close to zero since 1993. What difference would that have made?


To me? Nothing, migration didn't factor into my vote (the way the EU is run and the gaping issues it has as an institution were my biggest qualms). But I imagine it would have dented the leave vote quite a bit. Personally I think the sluggish growth of living standards post crash was the biggest factor in the rise of anti-EU sentiment, I imagine if standards had picked up quicker a lot earlier people wouldn't care so much if they felt they were benefiting from it.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Slev » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:10 pm

TBF, most people voting leave either did it in spite of migration, or because they blame migration for unrelated phenomena.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Tet » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:58 pm

Slev wrote:TBF, most people voting leave either did it in spite of migration, or because they blame migration for unrelated phenomena.

So the media would have you believe. Even allowing for selection bias, that doesn't seem to reflect the reality that I see, though. Among the people I know that voted to leave (myself included), migration was pretty low down on the list of reasons.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:01 am

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:34 pm

But they reckon the AfD will have little influence because none of the other parties will directly cooperate with them. I suppose they act as a strong pressure group though.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:53 pm

I see they are all in a position to take back Breslau. :evillaff:
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:31 pm

Fun game- have a look at who on your Facebook newsfeed is showing outrage about the Catalan referendum crackdown and seen how many of them were opposed to Brexit and demanded the result be overturned/ignored.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

It's quite funny watching the arguments between both sides of the Scottish independence issue as they argue over who gets to appropriate whats happening in Catalonia and how it justifies their point of view.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:40 am

And the far left trying to claim it too. Which of course makes sense in the context of the Spanish Civil War (soon to be called The First Spanish Civil War??) but things are very different now. One of the main arguments for Catalan independence is the strength of their market economy in contrast to the floundering other regions of Spain so to call this "class struggle" is a bit comical.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:56 am

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:41 pm

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Rees-Mogg: Food banks "rather uplifting"

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I love this cartoon-faced shitebag, he is Bond villain levels of ridiculous.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:16 pm

Rees Mogg always strikes me as a cross between a stereotypical Victorian toff and Mr Burns, I just haven't figured out who his Smithers is in the Tory party.

Half the time he gives a speech I expect him to lean on the lectern and do the Mr Burns gimmick

"sir, more people are using food banks"
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On another note, seems the King of Spain's speech has done little but rile up the Catalonians. Is it just me or do government's seem to walk into the same traps over and over? Since when does sending in the police and riot squad in front of the media ever quash independence movements?

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:49 pm

Yeah. The way the Spanish Government has handled this has probably made an independent Catalonia more likely in future. They could have granted an official referendum on biased but reasonable terms such as a minimum 55% Yes for independence to happen and a minimum voting age of 21. Like England should have done for the Scottish referendum. At the very least it should not have allowed 16s & 17s to vote. My political beliefs didn't stabilise until my mid-20s. When I was 20 I wanted to abolish the Monarchy and have a United States of Europe. Now I'm the opposite on those issues and I'm glad I never got to vote on them at that young age.
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