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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:34 pm
by Black Wizard
i0th wrote:Government to lose vote by 150-200, Corbyn to continue doing nothing, referendum on terms of leaving called to gain mandate for the government to act towards either new deal or leaving without a deal, A50 delayed/withdrawn depending on what the EU will wearily accept from May who continues to refuse to resign.

Huge defeat by the government as expected but Jezza has called a motion of no confidence along with the other opposition leaders. It won't pass as the Hard Brexit Tories and the DUP will support the government. We live in interesting times.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:31 pm
by houston4044
So once the no confidence vote fails tomorrow and May has stated her next steps on Monday; Corbyn should (I would say has to but there will be some way to fudge it) come off the fence one way or the other as he won't get his GE. Interesting to see if he does split the party or not there.

Biggest loss of a vote in Parliamentary history, very strong and stable :lol:

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:09 am
by Metalchemyst
The hard leavers are gambling on a no deal exit and the remainers seem to be hoping for a second referendum to reverse the result. I would bet on the latter but it won't happen without some consequences.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:46 pm
by houston4044
Metalchemyst wrote:The hard leavers are gambling on a no deal exit and the remainers seem to be hoping for a second referendum to reverse the result. I would bet on the latter but it won't happen without some consequences.


I'm the opposite, think we'll end up doing some kind of no deal but rebranded differently to save face. Only way I can see a 2nd ref is if Labour get behind it but I can only see Corbyn doing anything but that and just stalling.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:56 am
by bloodofthekings
So Theresa has announced another vote for her deal on 29th January, as the government clearly aren't happy that they lost and want to have another crack at the whip.

Hmmm.....

I think Newsthump have perfectly summed up the irony of this whole fiasco:
https://newsthump.com/2019/01/18/we-are ... eresa-may/

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:48 pm
by Metalchemyst
A good article about the state of our political parties:
https://unherd.com/2019/01/could-brexit ... -politics/

His main point is that both Lab and the Cons are coalitions of more than one group each, so voting for either party is not a real choice.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:33 pm
by someone else
Metalchemyst wrote:A good article about the state of our political parties:
https://unherd.com/2019/01/could-brexit ... -politics/

His main point is that both Lab and the Cons are coalitions of more than one group each, so voting for either party is not a real choice.


Possibly some truth in there - think we get used to the current party system, and its had a good run of a few decades - before about 1950, new parties of MPs were springing up all the time and crossing the house was not as rare as it is now

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:06 pm
by Black Wizard
The Labour Party seems to be having fun right now. :goggly:

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:12 am
by Haldamir319
Peston is reporting a rumour that 4 Tories will leave and join the new group today.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:59 pm
by Metalchemyst
I don't know why these rebel MPs don't just join the Lib Dems who are pretty much a centre party (by today's very capitalist standard).

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:39 pm
by houston4044
Metalchemyst wrote:I don't know why these rebel MPs don't just join the Lib Dems who are pretty much a centre party (by today's very capitalist standard).


Apart from Brexit and possibly the desire to draw away from a two party system I can't see the 11 of them agreeing on much. Personally I don't want them in the Lib Dems as it'd they'd use it as a vanity vehicle rather actually identifying with their values.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:42 pm
by someone else
Don't know how for the rabbit hole into conspiracy territory this goes, but the 'Independent Group' is not a political party, its a loose collective of MPs but the group is registered as a private company. This means its not subject to the same disclosure, funding and discipline codes of conduct that a party is.

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:37 pm
by houston4044
someone else wrote:Don't know how for the rabbit hole into conspiracy territory this goes, but the 'Independent Group' is not a political party, its a loose collective of MPs but the group is registered as a private company. This means its not subject to the same disclosure, funding and discipline codes of conduct that a party is.


Wouldn't bother going into the rabbit hole as it's so they can receive funding/make group expenditures. I imagine if an election went ahead they'd stand as independents and fund their campaigns from this company. Doubt they'll form a party anytime soon as that would limit who would join them (one of the reasons they're going to stay as vague as possible on most policies).

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:29 am
by metaldinosaur
The mps who have broken away are all neo-liberal centrist types, I'm guessing it will be a Blair style party!

Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:14 pm
by Metalchemyst
A description of the Labour party I just read: "a disgusting mixture of hard-Left creeps and robotic Blairite leftovers". Agree? :)