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How will you vote in the 2019 UK General Election?

Conservative
1
6%
Labour
7
41%
Liberal Democrat
4
24%
SNP
0
No votes
Brexit
1
6%
Green
2
12%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
0
No votes
Won't Vote
2
12%
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:57 pm

English people interested in electoral system reform? Halle-fucking-juja I never thought I'd see the day!
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby malicious_bloke » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:04 am

Matty_the_Emo_Slayer wrote:English people interested in electoral system reform? Halle-fucking-juja I never thought I'd see the day!


Mainly northern socialists tbh.

People from families who have been voting labour since the great war while handily ignoring 13 years of "labour being more tory than the tories" are now terrified by how close they came to being an electoral irrelevance if scotland had voted the other way, handing the tories a permanent strategic advantage in every part of the country that isn't a defunct coal mine.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:44 am

malicious_bloke wrote:If that bufoniform first minister of yours had allowed the English to vote on the issue, Scotland would be an independent nation this morning.
About 2/3 of us support the Union.

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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby malicious_bloke » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:48 am

Metalchemyst wrote:
malicious_bloke wrote:If that bufoniform first minister of yours had allowed the English to vote on the issue, Scotland would be an independent nation this morning.
About 2/3 of us support the Union.


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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:54 am

Southern puffs with your long-vowelled French-leaning accents.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby MetalBeast » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:02 am

The Tories would have got a substantial boost if Scotland had become independent, but it's not quite big as some have made out.

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/uktable.htm

Without the Scottish vote (on balance, 39 extra labour votes), Labour would still have won convincingly in 1997, 2001 and 2005.

The problem going forward is that there's really not much differentiating between the three main parties at the moment, based on their recent record.

The Tories are the same as they've ever been.

Labour have started making the right noises on issues like the NHS and the Spare Room Subsidy (aka The Bedroom Tax) but whether they'd actually honour these pledges is anyone's guess. It's not clear how much they've actually changed since they lost power. New Labour was virtually indistinguishable from the Tories to the extent that Margaret Thatcher once stated that her greatest achievement was "Tony Blair and New Labour - We forced our opponents to change their minds."

...and the Lib Dems talked the talk in 2010, but betrayed most of their principles for a junior role in a coalition government.

It's hard to tell how much effect the aftermath of the Scottish referendum will have, but at least it's got people talking a bit more about politics.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby strangeasangels » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:44 am

Metalchemyst wrote:
malicious_bloke wrote:If that bufoniform first minister of yours had allowed the English to vote on the issue, Scotland would be an independent nation this morning.
About 2/3 of us support the Union.



I'd have to say that I do. Although a part of me wanting to see Scotland vote no was to spite that odious slimeball Salmond, I have to admit.

Also, a fairly substantial minority of Scots who seem to blame the English as a sport for any perceived slights or misfortune nearly put me off but I don't like to tar everyone with the same brush.

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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Jim » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:06 am

Just noticed, the poll as it currently is, is 12/30 for yes/no - which is 40% - not a million miles off the real referendum result!
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Metalchemyst » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:10 am

MetalBeast wrote:...and the Lib Dems talked the talk in 2010, but betrayed most of their principles for a junior role in a coalition government.

It's hard to tell how much effect the aftermath of the Scottish referendum will have, but at least it's got people talking a bit more about politics.
I think a lot of people have been very harsh on Clegg and his party; Labour were kaput in 2010 so a LIB-CON coalition was the only real possibility and there was an urgent feeling that we needed economic stabilisation. The LDs have probably actually punched above their weight given the FPTP system they got in on.


Does anyone know what the support in Scotland is for leaving the EU? If we have a ref. and vote to come out but there is the opposite opinion in Scotland it could reignite the independence issue.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Gandalf the Red » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:27 am

Metalchemyst wrote:
MetalBeast wrote:...and the Lib Dems talked the talk in 2010, but betrayed most of their principles for a junior role in a coalition government.

It's hard to tell how much effect the aftermath of the Scottish referendum will have, but at least it's got people talking a bit more about politics.
I think a lot of people have been very harsh on Clegg and his party; Labour were kaput in 2010 so a LIB-CON coalition was the only real possibility and there was an urgent feeling that we needed economic stabilisation. The LDs have probably actually punched above their weight given the FPTP system they got in on.



The Libs could of kept out of the coalition and let the Tories have a minority government. Then they could of joined with the other parties and voted against anything that they disliked from the sidelines. Thereby forcing the Tories into an earlier general election. Instead they decided to prop them up for a few lesser cabinet posts. In the meantime losing virtually all their grassroots support (especially students), most of their council seats and control of councils such as Liverpool. They won't get that back for a very long time.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:35 am

[url]theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/19/violence-glasgow-scotland-loyalists-attack-independence-supporters[/url]

Looks like Scotland has its own breed of flegtard now. Don't they realise their side won? Wouldn't expect anything less from Rangers fans though I suppose.
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Gandalf the Red » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:59 am

Matty_the_Emo_Slayer wrote:[url]theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/19/violence-glasgow-scotland-loyalists-attack-independence-supporters[/url]

Looks like Scotland has its own breed of flegtard now. Don't they realise their side won? Wouldn't expect anything less from Rangers fans though I suppose.


Unlike the Yes voters smashing windows with No posters in them then. That's the reason the opinion polls were out. Everyone kept their mouths shut when asked what they were going to vote because of the thuggish behaviour of the Yes supporters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iband.html
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Kanwulf » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:06 am

Matty_the_Emo_Slayer wrote:[url]theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/19/violence-glasgow-scotland-loyalists-attack-independence-supporters[/url]

Looks like Scotland has its own breed of flegtard now. Don't they realise their side won? Wouldn't expect anything less from Rangers fans though I suppose.


Tarring all us Rangers fans with the same brush.... You must be a Celtic fan :rolleyes:
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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby Matty_the_Emo_Slayer » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:11 am

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Re: Scottish Independence thread

Postby malicious_bloke » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:27 am

Oooh, I sense a fight between rival jesuscelts coming on.

*grabs popcorn*

Now HAVE AT IT, ye fenian bastards!
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