Gandalf the Red wrote:garyboyd wrote:Gandalf the Red wrote:The only time I've seen actual violence at gigs is when there has been a 'core band on the bill. Heavy Metal is implied violence. There is a vast difference.
I've NEVER seen it during any other genre of music, including raves full of people drugged up to the eyeballs.
Apart from a famous riot when The Beastie Boys played Liverpool Royal Court when they encouraged the fans to raid the bar. That made the main news and all the papers. That's when I was working there. We got paid quite a lot the next day to clean up the mess. Now that was a bit scary.
Oh come on Gandalf, what about the infamous megadeth gig in Northern Ireland in 88?
You're roughly the same age as me and I've witnessed some pretty vicious beatings and
stabbings at metal and punk gigs in the 80's. I used to go to PlanetX in Liverpool and saw bands like Carcass and Bolt thrower and anyone misbehaving in there was quickly dragged out for a good hiding. The idea that metal is some golden hinterland free from obnoxious characters is a myth. When you get a load of people in one place there is bound to be a small number of idiots that ruin it for everyone, but you can't just stereotype one set of fans as better than another.
Surely that was sectarian related though? Not helped by Dave Mustaine saying he had given money to the IRA.
Yes. I remember the Planet X gigs. And as I said most of the trouble came from Hardcore fans. Things like slamdiving feet first wearing steel toecap boots. Punching people on the back of their heads.
I also remember Youth Of Today getting showered with beer after they insisted on them closing the bar and getting told to fuck off.
I still see and drink with some of the bouncers from there. Tony and Dennis.
there was so much crossover going on back then it was hard to tell the metal and hardcore kids apart, but there were idiots on both sides, always will be. I was never aware that PlanetX had bouncers, it always seemed like a free for all to me