Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby bloodfiend » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:29 pm

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Well they must of found a way round it or covered it as Death to all played the other year.



oh come on that's different, former members and clearly more than just a covers band from down the pub, same with Dio Disciples.

I'm talking about some if some band like High-On Maiden, Guns 2 Roses, etc gets added to the bill, i.e. a fairly well known pub covers band that specialises in covering one band. I've never been to a festival where I've seen a band like that on the bill.

Tragedy aren't in the same bracket, as they're doing comedy/piss take versions of more than one band.

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Haldamir319 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:39 pm

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houston4044 wrote:
Well they must of found a way round it or covered it as Death to all played the other year.



oh come on that's different, former members and clearly more than just a covers band from down the pub, same with Dio Disciples.

I'm talking about some if some band like High-On Maiden, Guns 2 Roses, etc gets added to the bill, i.e. a fairly well known pub covers band that specialises in covering one band. I've never been to a festival where I've seen a band like that on the bill.

Tragedy aren't in the same bracket, as they're doing comedy/piss take versions of more than one band.


What's the difference between seeing a covers band at a festival vs seeing them at a gig? Because there are definitely cover bands that play their own gigs :P.

But yeah, festivals do hire covers bands. It's a pretty standard thing. Hell, Glastonbudget (http://www.glastonbudget.org/stage/main-stage/) is basically a covers festival.
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Haldamir319 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:52 pm

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Haldamir319 wrote:On the topic of the Teutonic 4, if Kreator were a headliner, where would the other three play on the bill?

Destruction were 5th top in 2008 and Sodom were 4th top in 2009.


I think you'd have to bill it as a Teutonic 4 show and put them as the top four bands that day rather than just having them all playing the festival.


I suspect that would be a cheap day to book in that case! I'm guessing Sodom would sub, but who is bigger out of Tankard and Destruction?
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby houston4044 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:13 pm

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bloodfiend wrote:
oh come on that's different, former members and clearly more than just a covers band from down the pub, same with Dio Disciples.

I'm talking about some if some band like High-On Maiden, Guns 2 Roses, etc gets added to the bill, i.e. a fairly well known pub covers band that specialises in covering one band. I've never been to a festival where I've seen a band like that on the bill.

Tragedy aren't in the same bracket, as they're doing comedy/piss take versions of more than one band.


What's the difference between seeing a covers band at a festival vs seeing them at a gig? Because there are definitely cover bands that play their own gigs :P.

But yeah, festivals do hire covers bands. It's a pretty standard thing. Hell, Glastonbudget (http://www.glastonbudget.org/stage/main-stage/) is basically a covers festival.


Now you mention it, Bjorn again and the Fab Beatles both played Sonisphere so it's not like it doesn't happen at regular (i.e. not cover band specific festivals) music festivals.

Haldamir319 wrote:On the topic of the Teutonic 4, if Kreator were a headliner, where would the other three play on the bill?

Destruction were 5th top in 2008 and Sodom were 4th top in 2009.


Again, when the big 4 played sonisphere, Slayer and Anthrax played slots higher than they had previously played at the same fest (both the year before) so I imagine if you bill it specifically as an event then the elevation of position is justified.

Haldamir319 wrote:who is bigger out of Tankard and Destruction?


Tough question, would Tankard be elevated due to the rarity factor or would Destruction get the nod as a somewhat reliable draw, personally I'd opt for Destruction but give all 3 (bar Kreator) the same set length anyway.

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Soze » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:18 pm

I'm not a fan of covers bands and wouldn't want to see them at Bloodstock at the expense of proper bands who are attempting to write their own music.

As for the German Big 4...personally I think Destruction and Sodom are fairly equal in popularity over here. Sodom would just about get the nod I guess but both are bigger than Tankard.

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby bloodfiend » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:06 pm

houston4044 wrote:
Now you mention it, Bjorn again and the Fab Beatles both played Sonisphere so it's not like it doesn't happen at regular (i.e. not cover band specific festivals) music festivals..


Very different though innit - i.e. that's a metal festival having covers bands who cover bands who haven't been active for a long while, and also have a comedy element, i.e. pop covers at a metal festival.

The case in hand here is a metal festival having covers bands who would be covering active bands that are out of their price bracket, i.e. if BOA started getting well known Metallica, Maiden, Priest etc covers bands. I've never been to a festival where I've seen that, so while there may not be rules against it, it seems to be classed as something of a festival faux pas.

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:07 pm

Doesn't Wacken have tribute bands on?

I'm pretty sure I saw an AC/DC one there and I've seen others advertised. In the tent that has strippers. Pre 2009 as that's the last year I went.
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby JB65 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:29 pm

Gandalf the Red wrote:Doesn't Wacken have tribute bands on?

I'm pretty sure I saw an AC/DC one there and I've seen others advertised. In the tent that has strippers. Pre 2009 as that's the last year I went.

Letz Zep played there a few years ago,

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Haldamir319 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:29 am

Yeah, it's definitely something Wacken have done. Download booked Lez Zeppelin one year too.

Would the easier thing to just have the three others back-to-back, then have a 'jam' at the end of the last one's set (with members of the three bands) doing, maybe, one of each others' songs plus a couple of 'tallica tracks? Maybe get Jason Newstead out on stage with them too?

Back to the Teutonic 4, how would you book the undercard / 2nd stage to compensate for all that thrash (and the fact that the bands will mostly be playing bigger slots than they usually do)?
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby bloodfiend » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:16 am

Haldamir319 wrote:
Would the easier thing to just have the three others back-to-back, then have a 'jam' at the end of the last one's set (with members of the three bands) doing, maybe, one of each others' songs plus a couple of 'tallica tracks? Maybe get Jason Newstead out on stage with them too?



The easiest thing? Surely having Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax back to back is completely out of BOA's league too, with the former 2 being festival headliners twice already, and Anthrax being very high profile special guests, and almost headliner level. Metallica are Metallica, they'll not play BOA, but at the same time they haven't played much larger festivals like Wacken, Hellfest and Graspop, they're absence is hardly an issue, and we don't need to make up for it by a loada covers.

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Back to the Teutonic 4, how would you book the undercard / 2nd stage to compensate for all that thrash (and the fact that the bands will mostly be playing bigger slots than they usually do)


The Teutonic 4 is within the grasp of the festival finance wise, but it wouldn't make sense to have it all in a row at the top of the bill, Wacken yes, BOA no. The only way would be spreading it over the weekend, which would defeat the point a bit. The only way to really draw attention to it would to be having Destruction, Sodom and Tankard each headline a night in the Sophie tent and have Kreator headline a mainstage night.

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby Haldamir319 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:43 am

What if the Thursday night was expanded as part of a one-off, with those four only, playing the Main stage?

I mean, all of this is unrealistic (and I can only imagine what the difference in bands they'd book Fri - Sun would be to compensate), but that seems the most logical way I think?
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby houston4044 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:51 am

Put all 4 of them on one day on the same stage, give Kreator a 2 hour set and the rest an hour at which point you'd probably only need about 3-4 other bands on the bill. Have 2 small bands (the Teutonic big 4 are the selling point, the other 4 bands will only serve to pull those going for Sophie stage bands etc) and 2 middling bands similar to the Sophie bands of the day.

So:
Kreator- 2 hour set
Sodom- 1 hour
Destruction- 1 Hour
Tankard- 1 hour
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby red_death » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:02 pm

I'd settle for Sodom being added to this year's line up ;-)

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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby bloodblind » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:23 pm

Well Metallica should just headline next year and play ..And Justice For All in full, 30th anniversary. Do it for the hardcore fans not the money and take it round all the festivals like Wacken, Hellfest, Graspop, BOA, Summer breeze etc.
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Re: Three of the big 4 Bloodstock

Postby jwh20 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:56 am

I actually saw the teutonic big four at summer breeze in 2015. But as summer breeze has two main stages they had a break for a different band between each one, which I think was a great way of doing it. Day went:

Main Stage one - trollfest (45 minutes)
Main stage two - megahertz (45 minutes)
Main Stage one - the sirens (45 minutes)
Main stage two - kyle gass band (45 minutes)
Main Stage one - corvus corax (45 minutes)
Main stage two - tankard (45 minutes)
Main Stage one - de apokalyptischen reiter (one hour)
Main stage two - destruction (one hour)
Main Stage one - black stone cherry (one hour)
Main stage two - Sodom (one hour)
Main Stage one - Opeth (75 minutes)
Main stage two - Saltatio Mortis (70 minutes)
Main Stage one - Kreator (90 minutes)
Main stage two - Amorphis (70 minutes)

So if we say 10 bands on a mainstage day at Bloodstock, with the big four staggered I'd put it as something like:

Kreator headliner - 90 minutes
Special guest - Accept/Devin Townsend/download band - 60-75 minutes)
Sodom - 60 minutes
band - Marduk/Deicide - 45 minutes
Destruction - 45 minutes
some symphonic or power metal band - 45 minutes
Tankard - 45 minutes
My Dying Bride/Electric Wizard/Alcest - 40 minutes
Angel Witch/Anvil/90's nu-metal band no-one asked for - 30 minutes
Amulet/Seprevation/Beholder/Evil Scarecrow - 30 minutes

A good mix of genres with no other thrash to mix things up. It won't happen, or if it does not for a number of years. There's not much point doing them all one year outside of Germany no? Or if they wanted to do this it would be a club tour playing the forum again I'd think.