Vickie on the Jasta Show

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby cthulhu » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:08 pm

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Yeah fuck negative opinions, lets just have sunshines and rainbows and no-one expressing negative opinions on something they've invested time, money and excitement in right? No, fuck that. I don't personally think the festival is as bad as a lot of forum users make out but it's everyone's right to express those thoughts...not exactly like Bloodstock care anyway and none of them do jackshit to stop the shift because frankly nobody can. Equally it's not about people wearing those shirts being bad kids they're just not the kids the festival was designed for and the more of them that show up is an indicator of how much the festival squeezes the faithful out.



Whilst I fully agree with you that some of the criticism on here is way over the top I have to disagree with your last point.

If I see some yuongsters with Asking Alexandria or some other shite like Bring Me The Horizon on their t shirts, I don't assume that's the way the festival is headed.

Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.

If kids into the current ~"gateway" acts are coming to Bloodstock and last year they watched Emperor or ventured onto the Sophie or New Blood stages then that is a great thing.


Given that the festival seems to have grown year on year, these guys coming now and potentially expanding their tastes and interests certainly doesn't mean they're squeezing others out.

I think we're mostly in agreement but my point isn't really that liking those sorts of bands is an issue or even that owning the merch and even packing it for bloodstock is an issue but rather that an increase in those shirts from one year to the next or over a period of a few years indicates a shift in the music. Most of the merchandise i've seen in the last 3 years have been from Emperor, Watain or Carcass. Which is no surprise when you consider that those bands and bands of similar ilk such as Obituary, Mayhem or Behemoth are always on the bill. The odd Slipknot or Bring Me the Horizon shirt means nothing at all but if i go to the festival and see maybe 200 of them over the weekend that would suggest that bands of that ilk are present in enough numbers to tempt people who identify with that band enough to buy the shirts and wear them. Hence the fans shirts become a bit of a litmus test to the nature of the festival.

I may not be wording this as fluently as possible but do you get my point?
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby ScrumpiesVeteran » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:49 pm

I can see both points of this argument.

Every generation of metal is dismissive to a certain extent of other "new" genres/styles.

In the 70s rock and rollers felt threatened by bands such as Sabbath, Led Zep and Deep Purple, together with Slade.

This group then reacted warily to the NWOBHM.

80s classic rockers/trad metallers really hated the thrash and glam scenes that crept into the metal clubs I attended.

In turn, I despised the grunge scene that followed a few years later.

These were followed by nu-metal, emo, and so many other genres that you can name, with death and black metal interspersed between (albeit the last two having bubbled under the surface since the mid 80s as well).

Despite all of this, I like bands of most of the above genres. However should I be judged because I wear a T shirt of just one of them.

Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Bearstock » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:30 pm

I can see your thinking regarding more of the "mainstream" metal t shirts could well indicate more mainstream artists being booked.

I'd argue though that purely because they're wearing a t shirt of a main stream band doesn't mean they aren't into other genres or styles as well.
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Skippy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:17 am

Bearstock wrote:I can see your thinking regarding more of the "mainstream" metal t shirts could well indicate more mainstream artists being booked.

I'd argue though that purely because they're wearing a t shirt of a main stream band doesn't mean they aren't into other genres or styles as well.

I'd agree on an individual level, but when it comes down to large numbers, more mainstream shirts are a bad sign. But I've never seen large numbers at a Bloodstock, even this year I saw quite a few Slipknots or Avenged Sevenfolds, but for the most part people seemed to be trying to out-do each other for the most obsucure band T-shirt, which is always fun to watch.
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby VizardAmata » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:59 am

I certainly didn't see that many mainstream tshirts, this year it was more like a game of "count the Emperor merch".

Despite all of this, I like bands of most of the above genres. However should I be judged because I wear a T shirt of just one of them.

Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years.


Have to agree with you here, we all had to start somewhere and I certainly had some questionable taste when first venturing into metal's waters. :lol:

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby angel_of_death » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:00 am

ScrumpiesVeteran wrote:
Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years


Exactly. I love BFMV, Nickelback, Trivium and loads of other 'Download' bands. But i also love Carcass, COB, Megadeth, Scar Symmetry, Accept etc, and try to see a lot of bands on the smaller stages. I've also been going to Bloodstock since 03 (ok I missed a few years due to choosing to try different festivals). If I choose to wear one of those T-Shirts, to say I wouldn't be welcome is absurd!
I'm sure a lot of them wouldn't get booked, and I don't really care because I'll quite happily go to Download or Sonisphere for them.
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Haldamir319 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:48 am

Yeah, it shouldn't really matter whose t-shirts people are wearing when watching acts.

When I pack for Bloodstock, my mental process is just 1 - Do I have any tees of the bands playing (that I'm likely to see), 2- Do I have any tees that look cool 8) 3 - Sod it, I'm late *grab random handful of bands tees to finish packing*.
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Davros » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:37 am

What a surprise. Kids wearing t shirts of bands that are relavent to their generation! Who cares? Isn't the important thing that they're at Bloodstock and not Download? And that they're learning about older music?
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Ensorcelled » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:38 am

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Bearstock wrote:Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.



Speak for yourself. :P

I was at least in my mid twenties before those bands were even thought of. :lol:


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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Gandalf the Red » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:42 am

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Beardy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:20 pm

Haldamir319 wrote:When I pack for Bloodstock, my mental process is just 1 - Do I have any tees of the bands playing (that I'm likely to see)

Presumably this is your first thought so that you can put them to one side and not pack them :P :lol:

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Gandalf the Red » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:09 pm

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby strangeasangels » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:49 pm

Wearing a t-shirt of a band you're going to see is a devastating faux-pas.

For some reason, this is more laxly enforced at a Motorhead gig.

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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby metaldinosaur » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:12 pm

strangeasangels wrote:Wearing a t-shirt of a band you're going to see is a devastating faux-pas.

For some reason, this is more laxly enforced at a Motorhead gig.


This is a rule I often adhere to but entirely disagree with. However I love a band enough I will usually suck it up and take the shame. Metallica, Emperor, Celtic Frost...
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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Postby Bisset » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:43 am

I still don't understand why you wouldn't wear a t-shirt of a band you're going to see. Y'know offer your support and all that.
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