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Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:28 pm
by cthulhu
Blake_Porter wrote:Did anyone hear the podcast? I can back Gandalf up here and say that Jasta and Vickie did come across as very friendly with one another and they seemed to know a fair deal about each other.

I did and whilst they were friendly i'm not convinced it was enough to deem them real world friends rather than just people BoA have met and worked with pleasantly. I mean beyond the fact that Jamie has met her husband (which makes sense as he works at BoA too and the team seem to meet all the bands) they didn't seem more friendly than most radio interviews i've read.

dexter123 wrote:i don't mean to seem stand-offish

"But i shall anyway"

but does it really matter if there's some kids coming in with asking alandria and bands of similar likes shirts?

No it doesn't really matter in the least as long as you don't mind getting looked at like you just pulled up alongside a group of 1%ers whilst on a moped.

just because they like these bands doesn't mean they aren't allowed to enjoy the bands/music at bloodstock, doesn't mean they aren't allowed to go to download either. don't know about any of you guys, but i don't remember anyone being refused entry because they were wearing a download wristband and i doubt the same goes the other way too.

No-one is saying they shouldn't enjoy these bands or that they shouldn't go to Download, hell i've done download every year bar 2 since 2008. But why bother having Bloodstock if the line up just becomes Download part 2 that's the point, not about download people vs bloodstock people the fact there are more download people going lately is more of a point about the bands than the people.


this sort of elitist bollocks does my nut in!!

By definition elitism is thinking a certain point of yourself makes you a superior human being. It's not elitist to like a certain kind of band, this phrase really bothers me because virtually every time i see you people using it it's not applicable.

who gives a toss if lamb of god, machine head and god forbid, hatebreed, continue to get booked year after year.

The people buying the tickets care. Repeat bookings are lazy and boring and people have a right to not want to pay money to see the same bands on repeat. Oh and i'd be very surprised if God Forbid got repeatedly booked...or even booked once seeing as they disbanded a few years ago (a shame as i did enjoy them somewhat).

businesses have to grow, and in order for bands like judas priest, or possibly way in the future iron maiden to get booked, then booking popular mainstream bands or unusual bands will likely continue to happen and so will seeing more of these kids with shirts of bands you don't like, or deem unfit for the festival.

A few points here. Yes businesses have to grow if you're approaching as a business, obviously BoA is and obviously they intend to make profits but the difference is that BoA by their own hand have stopped campsite growth for the next 5 years i believe it is. Why? Partially based around licensing i would imagine but also because they don't want to be another Download festival. They've always been pretty clear on saying they have no intentions of booking Iron Maiden or bands like that, in fact if i remember rightly the last time one of them was asked they simply said "if you want to see Metallica or Iron Maiden then go to Download". Of course more of these bands will be booked and i'd say the current balance is about right but if you seriously think a metal festival that frankly isn't far off being an extreme metal festival needs to grow by booking mainstream bands you're not really getting the point.

stop going on about it, let it be done with, fair enough you don't like the band, but that doesn't make the kids wearing the shirts bad kids, they're at the festival for the same reasons as you!

Yeah fuck negative opinions, lets just have sunshines and rainbows and no-one expressing negative opinions on something they've invested time, money and excitement in right? No, fuck that. I don't personally think the festival is as bad as a lot of forum users make out but it's everyone's right to express those thoughts...not exactly like Bloodstock care anyway and none of them do jackshit to stop the shift because frankly nobody can. Equally it's not about people wearing those shirts being bad kids they're just not the kids the festival was designed for and the more of them that show up is an indicator of how much the festival squeezes the faithful out.

/rant

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:44 pm
by Bearstock
Yeah fuck negative opinions, lets just have sunshines and rainbows and no-one expressing negative opinions on something they've invested time, money and excitement in right? No, fuck that. I don't personally think the festival is as bad as a lot of forum users make out but it's everyone's right to express those thoughts...not exactly like Bloodstock care anyway and none of them do jackshit to stop the shift because frankly nobody can. Equally it's not about people wearing those shirts being bad kids they're just not the kids the festival was designed for and the more of them that show up is an indicator of how much the festival squeezes the faithful out.



Whilst I fully agree with you that some of the criticism on here is way over the top I have to disagree with your last point.

If I see some yuongsters with Asking Alexandria or some other shite like Bring Me The Horizon on their t shirts, I don't assume that's the way the festival is headed.

Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.

If kids into the current ~"gateway" acts are coming to Bloodstock and last year they watched Emperor or ventured onto the Sophie or New Blood stages then that is a great thing.


Given that the festival seems to have grown year on year, these guys coming now and potentially expanding their tastes and interests certainly doesn't mean they're squeezing others out.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:03 pm
by Gandalf the Red
Bearstock wrote:Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.



Speak for yourself. :P

I was at least in my mid twenties before those bands were even thought of. :lol:

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:12 pm
by Gandalf the Red
I admit that wearing an Asking Alexandra or BFMV shirt doesn't make you a bad person. But I would guess that such a person would attend more for "shits and giggles" rather than to watch bands.

I know plenty of people that attended the early festivals that don't attend anymore because they feel the festival has gone too far down the Download route.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:08 pm
by cthulhu
Bearstock wrote:
Yeah fuck negative opinions, lets just have sunshines and rainbows and no-one expressing negative opinions on something they've invested time, money and excitement in right? No, fuck that. I don't personally think the festival is as bad as a lot of forum users make out but it's everyone's right to express those thoughts...not exactly like Bloodstock care anyway and none of them do jackshit to stop the shift because frankly nobody can. Equally it's not about people wearing those shirts being bad kids they're just not the kids the festival was designed for and the more of them that show up is an indicator of how much the festival squeezes the faithful out.



Whilst I fully agree with you that some of the criticism on here is way over the top I have to disagree with your last point.

If I see some yuongsters with Asking Alexandria or some other shite like Bring Me The Horizon on their t shirts, I don't assume that's the way the festival is headed.

Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.

If kids into the current ~"gateway" acts are coming to Bloodstock and last year they watched Emperor or ventured onto the Sophie or New Blood stages then that is a great thing.


Given that the festival seems to have grown year on year, these guys coming now and potentially expanding their tastes and interests certainly doesn't mean they're squeezing others out.

I think we're mostly in agreement but my point isn't really that liking those sorts of bands is an issue or even that owning the merch and even packing it for bloodstock is an issue but rather that an increase in those shirts from one year to the next or over a period of a few years indicates a shift in the music. Most of the merchandise i've seen in the last 3 years have been from Emperor, Watain or Carcass. Which is no surprise when you consider that those bands and bands of similar ilk such as Obituary, Mayhem or Behemoth are always on the bill. The odd Slipknot or Bring Me the Horizon shirt means nothing at all but if i go to the festival and see maybe 200 of them over the weekend that would suggest that bands of that ilk are present in enough numbers to tempt people who identify with that band enough to buy the shirts and wear them. Hence the fans shirts become a bit of a litmus test to the nature of the festival.

I may not be wording this as fluently as possible but do you get my point?

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:49 pm
by ScrumpiesVeteran
I can see both points of this argument.

Every generation of metal is dismissive to a certain extent of other "new" genres/styles.

In the 70s rock and rollers felt threatened by bands such as Sabbath, Led Zep and Deep Purple, together with Slade.

This group then reacted warily to the NWOBHM.

80s classic rockers/trad metallers really hated the thrash and glam scenes that crept into the metal clubs I attended.

In turn, I despised the grunge scene that followed a few years later.

These were followed by nu-metal, emo, and so many other genres that you can name, with death and black metal interspersed between (albeit the last two having bubbled under the surface since the mid 80s as well).

Despite all of this, I like bands of most of the above genres. However should I be judged because I wear a T shirt of just one of them.

Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:30 pm
by Bearstock
I can see your thinking regarding more of the "mainstream" metal t shirts could well indicate more mainstream artists being booked.

I'd argue though that purely because they're wearing a t shirt of a main stream band doesn't mean they aren't into other genres or styles as well.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:17 am
by Skippy
Bearstock wrote:I can see your thinking regarding more of the "mainstream" metal t shirts could well indicate more mainstream artists being booked.

I'd argue though that purely because they're wearing a t shirt of a main stream band doesn't mean they aren't into other genres or styles as well.

I'd agree on an individual level, but when it comes down to large numbers, more mainstream shirts are a bad sign. But I've never seen large numbers at a Bloodstock, even this year I saw quite a few Slipknots or Avenged Sevenfolds, but for the most part people seemed to be trying to out-do each other for the most obsucure band T-shirt, which is always fun to watch.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:59 am
by VizardAmata
I certainly didn't see that many mainstream tshirts, this year it was more like a game of "count the Emperor merch".

Despite all of this, I like bands of most of the above genres. However should I be judged because I wear a T shirt of just one of them.

Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years.


Have to agree with you here, we all had to start somewhere and I certainly had some questionable taste when first venturing into metal's waters. :lol:

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:00 am
by angel_of_death
ScrumpiesVeteran wrote:
Before judging those who wear Slipknot shirts etc, try talking to them. You may be surprised by their breadth of musical taste and knowledge. I certainly have been over the years


Exactly. I love BFMV, Nickelback, Trivium and loads of other 'Download' bands. But i also love Carcass, COB, Megadeth, Scar Symmetry, Accept etc, and try to see a lot of bands on the smaller stages. I've also been going to Bloodstock since 03 (ok I missed a few years due to choosing to try different festivals). If I choose to wear one of those T-Shirts, to say I wouldn't be welcome is absurd!
I'm sure a lot of them wouldn't get booked, and I don't really care because I'll quite happily go to Download or Sonisphere for them.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:48 am
by Haldamir319
Yeah, it shouldn't really matter whose t-shirts people are wearing when watching acts.

When I pack for Bloodstock, my mental process is just 1 - Do I have any tees of the bands playing (that I'm likely to see), 2- Do I have any tees that look cool 8) 3 - Sod it, I'm late *grab random handful of bands tees to finish packing*.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:37 am
by Davros
What a surprise. Kids wearing t shirts of bands that are relavent to their generation! Who cares? Isn't the important thing that they're at Bloodstock and not Download? And that they're learning about older music?

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:38 am
by Ensorcelled
Gandalf the Red wrote:
Bearstock wrote:Far from it, if anything when we were kids we had the likes of Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot as "gateway bands" entering the fray and finding far better music.



Speak for yourself. :P

I was at least in my mid twenties before those bands were even thought of. :lol:


HEY GUYS, GANDALF IS SAYING HE'S OLD AGAIN.

Dude, we get it.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:42 am
by Gandalf the Red
Read a book.

Re: Vickie on the Jasta Show

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:20 pm
by Beardy
Haldamir319 wrote:When I pack for Bloodstock, my mental process is just 1 - Do I have any tees of the bands playing (that I'm likely to see)

Presumably this is your first thought so that you can put them to one side and not pack them :P :lol: