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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Soze » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:49 pm

To me Venom are proof that song writing skills are more important than musicianship! Sure none of them were very technically gifted but they wrote some fantastic stuff, their first three albums are all chock full of great riffs. I spent my early teens quite obsessed with them until the likes of Slayer and Exodus came along. Admittedly once the thrash movement took off they quickly feel into irrelevance but they still hold a place in my affections.

As for Bathory, I respectfully disagree. Their first album was the only real Venom copycat and it's not a patch on Venom themselves. Bathory came good on their third album when they really started to forge their own identity.

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby King Penda » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:20 am

Think the Dolan years 89-93 a deserving of a re-appraisal, the band couldnt sell out a matchbox by then but theres some good material

At least Chronos is trying to put out in newer releases something like the original feeling and sound of the first couple of albums

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Bearstock » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:52 pm

I think the big issue with Venom being high up the bill is they're one of those bands whom seem more well known than they actually are.


By that I mean you'll hear their name a lot but hardly ever hear any of their songs unless you make a point of listening to them.
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby fluffkitten » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:27 pm

Bearstock wrote:I think the big issue with Venom being high up the bill is they're one of those bands whom seem more well known than they actually are.


By that I mean you'll hear their name a lot but hardly ever hear any of their songs unless you make a point of listening to them.


Yep "known of rather" than "known".
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Soze » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:14 pm

Isn't that the same for most underground metal bands? How often do you hear Nuclear Assault, Darkthrone, Obituary or Dark Tranquility songs? No club, TV or radio station plays them. Venom at least used to get regular spins on Tommy Vance's old radio show (Mike Read famously played Warhead on Radio 1 breakfast show in the 80s as well). They were regular guests on the metal TV shows on cable in the 80s too and Cronos even had his own comic strip in kerrang ... thinking on it two Venom albums charted in the UK and they used to play the Hammy O. Certainly to my generation of metal fans their songs are well known and most decent bands of the thrash scene cite them as a big influence (Slayer, Kreator, Sodom, Metallica, Voivod, Exodus, Sabbat) as well as the likes of Sigh, Darkthrone, Primordial, Cradle of Filth and Deceased. Hell, even Dave Grohl is a big fan!

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Gandalf the Red » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:34 pm

Aye. They were headlining Manchester Apollo and Hammersmith with Exodus and Chariot (remember them?) on support when Metallica were cancelling dates due to a lack of ticket sales. Heavily advertised in Kerrang and they even had a Kwid Off offer. In the end they played one date in the Marquee.

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Bearstock » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:27 pm

Soze wrote:Isn't that the same for most underground metal bands? How often do you hear Nuclear Assault, Darkthrone, Obituary or Dark Tranquility songs? No club, TV or radio station plays them. Venom at least used to get regular spins on Tommy Vance's old radio show (Mike Read famously played Warhead on Radio 1 breakfast show in the 80s as well). They were regular guests on the metal TV shows on cable in the 80s too and Cronos even had his own comic strip in kerrang ... thinking on it two Venom albums charted in the UK and they used to play the Hammy O. Certainly to my generation of metal fans their songs are well known and most decent bands of the thrash scene cite them as a big influence (Slayer, Kreator, Sodom, Metallica, Voivod, Exodus, Sabbat) as well as the likes of Sigh, Darkthrone, Primordial, Cradle of Filth and Deceased. Hell, even Dave Grohl is a big fan!



Was more going off my generation.

Born in the late Eighties so only really getting properly into music in late '90s/early 2000s.

Venom is a name Ive heard mentioned a fair bit in various places but in comparison to say Mayhem Ive barely seen or heard anything from without looking.

Darkthrone I was introduced too by a friend and do hardly see or hear anything by either but Dark Tranquility were easy to get into, Character and Fiction seemed to get a decent amount of media coverage and tracks on Metal Hammer CDs and/or on Scuzz fairly often as a couple of examples.

Obiuary and Morbid Angel are a bit of a mixture. Knew the names before properly checking them out but when I did check into them I recognised Slowly We Rot and Where The Slime Live in particular.

Need to give Venom a proper listen again as has been a while since I last did, didn't do much for me first time around though and nothing that stuck or was recognised.
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Beardy » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:33 pm

Surely everyone knows at least the song "Black Metal" don't they? It's been covered almost as many times as the Stones' "Paint It Black" has!

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby houston4044 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:59 pm

I've heard Obituary and Venom played in rock clubs before, admittedly they are played as the token "real heavy stuff" but it's airtime at least.

I think if Venom were announced they would be in a good position, they are "known of" but I'd imagine if they announced most people would then think they have an excuse to give them a listen, whereas other bands people don't know might not give them a listen.

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Chugging Pus » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:19 am

If I am correct there is a Venom song (Black Metal I think) in one of the Grand Theft Auto games
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Kanwulf » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:06 am

I dont remember that. Would be cool though
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Danroush » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:34 am

Soze wrote:Would you even want to see this current line up play Jester Race? It's a completely different band.


No it isn't, same vocalist in Anders, and Björn Gelotte was there too. Also they still have 3 members from Whoracle onwards and 4 from colony onwards.

For the most part in Flames is the same band it was when it made the older stuff people whine about, bar Lunar strain which is piss poor compared to the other pre 2000 releases anyway. Just because they changed musically over time as a band, doesn't magically mean the band members stopped being the same people.

Of course there were a couple that left after Jester Race, but most of the people who go on about them having no original members tend to view Whoracle, Colony and even Clayman in the same way they view Jester Race.

Carried on reading the thread after typing the post and noticed someone else briefly mentioned this, but leaving it as it is due to the rest of the post being different. Also note this is a general post about a very common (and inaccurate) attitude I see to In Flames as opposed to fully directed at you Soze.
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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Beardy » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:12 am

Lunar Strain is piss poor? Haha. Hahahahaha. Hahahahahaaaaarghhh. No.

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby King Penda » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:21 am

Is someone tryting to derail this thread from not talking about Venom? lol, c`mon my purchasing of a ticket next year is almost dangling on this

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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Postby Danroush » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:09 pm

Beardy wrote:Lunar Strain is piss poor? Haha. Hahahahaha. Hahahahahaaaaarghhh. No.


Okay, calling it piss poor was subjective. But it's definitely significantly different enough from the rest of Jester Race through Clayman for my point to stand. :P
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