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Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:13 pm
by Soze
jwh20 wrote:Given that AE are a load of rubbish and I will have to endure them open for Kreator next week I hope they don't get booked...


I thought the new AE was decent and I'm not much of a fan. I'm keen to see them for Loomis now though.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:15 pm
by Soze
fluffkitten wrote:
StonerWizzard wrote:I feel like Venom should really be headlining the second stage to give the "Bloodstock crowd" an alternative to the mainstream headliners but the second stage is nowhere big enough yet. Maybe in a few years we'll have acts like that on it.


No way Venom would accept anything less that RJD stage headline, and luckily since they are and always have been over rated rubbish that isn't happening.


I'm not so sure, they're playing a lower spot than they did previously at Hellfest this year. Cronos needs to accept that this current line up aren't as big a draw as the original one would be. You're hopelessly wrong about Venom's worth and legacy of course but I can't be bothered to argue :lol:

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:25 pm
by StonerWizzard
Soze wrote:
fluffkitten wrote:
StonerWizzard wrote:I feel like Venom should really be headlining the second stage to give the "Bloodstock crowd" an alternative to the mainstream headliners but the second stage is nowhere big enough yet. Maybe in a few years we'll have acts like that on it.


No way Venom would accept anything less that RJD stage headline, and luckily since they are and always have been over rated rubbish that isn't happening.


I'm not so sure, they're playing a lower spot than they did previously at Hellfest this year. Cronos needs to accept that this current line up aren't as big a draw as the original one would be. You're hopelessly wrong about Venom's worth and legacy of course but I can't be bothered to argue :lol:


I always saw Venom as a band that are more important than good. I'd never listen to them out of choice but they had a lot of influence on black and thrash, and I respect them for that at least.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:56 am
by Warlock
fluffkitten wrote:
StonerWizzard wrote:I feel like Venom should really be headlining the second stage to give the "Bloodstock crowd" an alternative to the mainstream headliners but the second stage is nowhere big enough yet. Maybe in a few years we'll have acts like that on it.


No way Venom would accept anything less that RJD stage headline, and luckily since they are and always have been over rated rubbish that isn't happening.


Wrong, they were brilliant, they seem to play lower slots at other festivals these days so I think they could

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:02 am
by Warlock
patrickransom wrote:I know people are predicting Arch Enemy but am I the only one who thinks they are not big enough for that slot? Im guessing if they are booked they'll get the slot below Opeth on the Saturday


I would of thought so, but then again the festival has got bigger and bands have moved down like Children Of Bodom and Saxon 3rd down so maybe, hope your right though, not a very exciting special guest, could see them under Opeth

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:04 am
by Warlock
Soze wrote:
fluffkitten wrote:
StonerWizzard wrote:I feel like Venom should really be headlining the second stage to give the "Bloodstock crowd" an alternative to the mainstream headliners but the second stage is nowhere big enough yet. Maybe in a few years we'll have acts like that on it.


No way Venom would accept anything less that RJD stage headline, and luckily since they are and always have been over rated rubbish that isn't happening.


I'm not so sure, they're playing a lower spot than they did previously at Hellfest this year. Cronos needs to accept that this current line up aren't as big a draw as the original one would be. You're hopelessly wrong about Venom's worth and legacy of course but I can't be bothered to argue :lol:


Just realised you already put pretty much what I was saying :lol:

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:31 pm
by fluffkitten
Warlock wrote:Wrong, they were brilliant, they seem to play lower slots at other festivals these days so I think they could


Everyone has different views but having bought Welcome to Hell and Black Metal when they came out in '81 & '82 I'll cheerfully stand by my opinion that Venom were rubbish and that just because they're influential doesn't mean they were any good.

But no point arguing because its just opinion/taste.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:56 pm
by King Penda
Pretty much you can say the same for the Sex Pistols and at least half the punk movement, God save the Queen is hardly Toccata and Fugue when it comes to songwriting

Venom were pretty much knocked down the precking order by young faster and more talented bands.
Regardless of those who`d only want to see Chronos/Mantas/Abbadon, if you`ve seen any Venom clips Chronos sings and rules just as much as 1981 one of the most underrated frontmen out there

Personally for me its more than the music, I mean a guitarist who teaches Womens Taekwondo classes and releases solo AOR records and joins Rave Bands?
Pretty much the Spinal Tap of extreme music,hell we need more people like this in Metal true superstars

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2008 ... mandmusic8

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:05 am
by cthulhu
The thing that hurt Venom the most is that Bathory did more or less the same thing but better.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:07 am
by cthulhu
King Penda wrote:Immortal-Possible but again headlined last time


Pretty sure they're all currently at war with each other in the courts...i doubt they'll be doing much at all in 2015.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:10 am
by Chugging Pus
I really like Venom, but I see the point on the Sex Pistols. I'm quite a big punk fan and I've never really got into them.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:07 pm
by houston4044
Venom encountered the same problem most "genre-defining" bands do, they helped define a sound but didn't have a blueprint to work off, so they either fell short in quality or experimented and deviated too far from the boundaries they helped set; all the while younger bands followed Venom's early blueprint and went on to greater success (see: Ramones, Blue Cheer, Quiet Riot, Green River, Angel Witch).

If they labelled a Venom slot as a Welcome to Hell/Black Metal set then they'd probably end up as special guests, if it was a standard set then probably 4th I'd imagine.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:15 pm
by Gandalf the Red
Chugging Pus wrote:I really like Venom, but I see the point on the Sex Pistols. I'm quite a big punk fan and I've never really got into them.


Most of the Punks that I knew never really considered the Sex Pistols as a "proper" Punk band.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:31 pm
by houston4044
Gandalf the Red wrote:
Chugging Pus wrote:I really like Venom, but I see the point on the Sex Pistols. I'm quite a big punk fan and I've never really got into them.


Most of the Punks that I knew never really considered the Sex Pistols as a "proper" Punk band.


They weren't really, they were ironically very manufactured for a band who were supposed to be very anti-establishment :lol: If it wasn't for the Malcom Mclaren inspired controversy they wouldn't have been half as big as they were/are. NMTB was a great album but plenty of other punk bands were matching/surpassing them in terms of quality.

Re: Sunday Special Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:37 pm
by fluffkitten
Gandalf the Red wrote:
Chugging Pus wrote:I really like Venom, but I see the point on the Sex Pistols. I'm quite a big punk fan and I've never really got into them.


Most of the Punks that I knew never really considered the Sex Pistols as a "proper" Punk band.


More of a basic hard rock band with a really good publicist. Very different sound to most punk bands.