How BOA is changing through the years

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby houston4044 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:27 pm

Slev wrote:Allow me to clarify:

General rock fans: People who like some metal and/or metalic music, but not into metal as a genre.

Mainstream metal: The kind of stuff played at specialist heavy metal nights. Power, black, folk, thrash, death, etc.

Underground metal: Unsigned/minor British stuff, very specialised imports, once popular bands who no longer have a following.


Most people I know who identify themselves as rock fans only know of/only know 1 or 2 songs by metal bands like Iron Maiden but dislike it on a whole. I'd say general rock fans are more into bands like Clutch/Black Stone Cherry/Slash/Heaven's Basement who are quite far removed from what BOA books generally

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Slev » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:57 pm

The problem we're having here is one of nomeclature!

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Danroush » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:47 pm

Slev wrote:The problem we're having here is one of nomeclature!


But that nomeclature is all that separates this thread from a standard "bloodstock's lineup is getting more mainstream" post which there's easily a hundred or more of already :P
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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Tet » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:50 pm

houston4044 wrote:Wouldn't say BOA since 2012 is all that appealing to general rock fans

That seems to be down to a difference in how you both define the terms being used here. I'm not entirely sure I agree with Slev's distinctions. What is completely clear, though, is that Bloodstock has changed over the years, and that 2012 marked by far the largest change in the overall tone of the festival (and not for the better IMHO, but YMMV).
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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby King Penda » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:01 pm

Why do such a diagram? Must obviously have a job in local government `analytical data processing and audit administrator` or something.

I dont think BOA has changed over the years my real worry is how it is going to change from now given the headliners that either didnt make the Wishlist or were shouted down are now the ones Headlining this year.

Some Katherine Jenkins with Guitars tash that sounds like everything else of that ilk, A band that everyone dreaded so much they snuck it out on the forum when announcing it and some bloke who makes bad horror films and says `Yeh` more than James Hetfield

Headliners for next year: Five Finger Death Punch, Black Veil Brides and Atomic Kitten

If BOA is going to just become a second rate Download or Sonisphere then please someone with some cash book a big field in the midlands and put on a proper Metal festival-if its about just shifting tickets then book pop bands if its about Metal then take it seriously.

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby bloodfiend » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:01 pm

Basically Bloodstock used to be a little power metal fest, and in order to extend beyond that extremely niche market, it turned into a mini-Wacken style outdoor 3 day event, by incoporated more death, black, doom, thrash etc....which dissappointed a load of 50 year-old old duffers who just wanted to watch Primal Fear and Saxon every year at the Derby Assembly Rooms, but most welcomed the change and it has been successful.

Now they are facing a similar situation to the one they had in 2007 - i.e. the bands they booked in 2008/09 are not as popular as they used to be and in order for the festival to continue to grow they need to adapt further; e.g. they can't book Dimmu/Nightwish/Children Of Bodom/Opeth/Lacuna Coil etc as headliners every year as they've all played before and aren't headliner material anymore. Unfortunately they've chosen to go for previously taboo bands as headliners now with the likes of Lamb Of God, Down and Trivium, which makes you think that they'd have no qualms in the future about booking Avenged Sevenfold, Five Finger Death Punch, Bring Me The Horizon, Bullet For My Valentine etc as headliners.....however the saving grace is that at least this has not affected the rest of the line up, and bands we still want to see comprise the rest of the line up, and bands you'd associate with Wacken, Hellfest etc rather than Download and Sonisphere.

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Killing_time » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:05 pm

Bloodstock started as a kiddie power pop festival and then it got bigger when it turned more Black/Death and now it's a pop festival with Trivium and Within Temptation headlining
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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Tet » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:44 pm

bloodfiend wrote:Basically Bloodstock used to be a little power metal fest, and in order to extend beyond that extremely niche market, it turned into a mini-Wacken style outdoor 3 day event

Lots of people make that claim, but it's never been true. Look back at the indoor lineups and you'll see that even from the early days, there was a mix of genres. True, power metal was better represented than it is now (arguably overrepresented, to be honest). But Bloodstock was never specifically a power metal festival. The percentage of power metal had to shrink as the festival grew. It didn't IMHO need to be neglected to the extent that it has been, along with the other melodic metal genres.
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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby SamB14 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:26 pm

Killing_time wrote:Bloodstock started as a kiddie power pop festival and then it got bigger when it turned more Black/Death and now it's a pop festival with Trivium and Within Temptation headlining



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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Kanwulf » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:35 pm

Tet wrote:
houston4044 wrote:Wouldn't say BOA since 2012 is all that appealing to general rock fans

That seems to be down to a difference in how you both define the terms being used here. I'm not entirely sure I agree with Slev's distinctions. What is completely clear, though, is that Bloodstock has changed over the years, and that 2012 marked by far the largest change in the overall tone of the festival (and not for the better IMHO, but YMMV).


Sorry, silly question.... What does YMMV mean?
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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby houston4044 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Blake_Porter wrote:
Tet wrote:
houston4044 wrote:Wouldn't say BOA since 2012 is all that appealing to general rock fans

That seems to be down to a difference in how you both define the terms being used here. I'm not entirely sure I agree with Slev's distinctions. What is completely clear, though, is that Bloodstock has changed over the years, and that 2012 marked by far the largest change in the overall tone of the festival (and not for the better IMHO, but YMMV).


Sorry, silly question.... What does YMMV mean?


I think it's code for "you mate must vegetate" so I've got to sit back and let the new direction of the fest grow on me..... I have no idea, have i bullshitted enough yet?

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Beardy » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:39 am

Blake_Porter wrote:
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houston4044 wrote:Wouldn't say BOA since 2012 is all that appealing to general rock fans

That seems to be down to a difference in how you both define the terms being used here. I'm not entirely sure I agree with Slev's distinctions. What is completely clear, though, is that Bloodstock has changed over the years, and that 2012 marked by far the largest change in the overall tone of the festival (and not for the better IMHO, but YMMV).


Sorry, silly question.... What does YMMV mean?

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Warlock » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:00 am

Blake_Porter wrote:
Slev wrote:Allow me to clarify:

General rock fans: People who like some metal and/or metalic music, but not into metal as a genre.

Mainstream metal: The kind of stuff played at specialist heavy metal nights. Power, black, folk, thrash, death, etc.

Underground metal: Unsigned/minor British stuff, very specialised imports, once popular bands who no longer have a following.


I wanna go to the same metal nights as you


Yeah I know! :lol: Power, Black, Folk, Thrash and Death mainstream? Don't understand what he's on about! :lol:

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby Warlock » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:15 am

Slev wrote:Allow me to clarify:

General rock fans: People who like some metal and/or metalic music, but not into metal as a genre.

Mainstream metal: The kind of stuff played at specialist heavy metal nights. Power, black, folk, thrash, death, etc.

Underground metal: Unsigned/minor British stuff, very specialised imports, once popular bands who no longer have a following.


What are you talking about? Lol
If someone likes some metal then I'd say they are into metal as a genre
Power, Black, Folk, Thrash and Death etc is not mainstream metal, you even said it was specialist!
And bands that no longer have a following a not underground, they a just bands that no one likes anymore, underground bands have a following!
I am so confused by this thread, yes Bloodstock has changed alot since its inception, but not even in the way you said! I don't get how you can go into all the effort to do a fancy diagram and not have the facts right or a clear point! :lol: not having a go just don't understand!

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Re: How BOA is changing through the years

Postby cthulhu » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:53 am

Yeah Slev i'd say you're way off with your categorisation there but here's where things get a bit more complex


You can't think of things as "that's mainstream, that's not mainstream" it doesn't work because it's all relative...

- in music as a whole Taylor Swift is mainstream, in comparison Metallica are not.

- In metal Metallica are mainstream, in comparison Dimmu Borgir are not.

- In black metal Dimmu Borgir are mainstream, in comparison Winterfylleth are not

- In the English black metal scene specifically Winterfylleth are mainstream, in comparison Verdelet are not.

- In the English black metal scene again Verdelet could be considered mainstream compared to the bedroom one man band of some guy with 43 likes on facebook and no other outlets for their music.


Does anyone get what i'm saying? When we're talking about metal everything and anything is mainstream and is simultaneously not mainstream.
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