Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

August 6-9, Catton Park, Walton on Trent, Derbyshire
bass_militant
Lowly Peon
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:00 pm

Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby bass_militant » Thu May 21, 2015 9:58 pm

As an attendee of Bloodstock 2007 until 2013, I've watched Bloodstock come a long way, or rather, I haven't.

I attended Wacken in 2008 and conceded that it was a superior festival. But that is entirely down to the factor that it is a much larger festival, and therefore has the backing and incentive to have big stage productions for the bands.

Early 2013 is when I started to going to other smaller European festivals, some even comparative in capacity to Bloodstock's. However, I quickly realised the organisation and facilities (toilets, camping grounds) were far superior.

The nail in the coffin for me though, was the stage constructions. The imagination and originality put not into just the stage performance, but the stage itself was staggering. 2013 was my last bloodstock unfortunately. Having seen the what is possible at European festivals, Bloodstock has left me somewhat underwhelmed since the revelation. I've wanted to return since, but my detached experience in 2013 has made me wary of shelling out big money to return.

My question to you is: Should Bloodstock invest in the festivals vibe, stage performance, and original stage construction as much as it invests in bringing original bands and acts to the lineup?

Below are a few pictures from some of the European festivals in question.


https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1545627_703271293063179_4440817158920649295_n.jpg?oh=198610734657cd20725a6d726d6f27d8&oe=55CC1D1E

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11031911_898414590215514_5122212395143291206_n.jpg?oh=eba6e41946a80b11c5a70d72e7373942&oe=55CBC68A

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11133726_10153266253683832_4336527447734601926_n.jpg?oh=32bdc6e24bb5ffd80680230d7b02e8bf&oe=55F8AF25&__gda__=1443719143_7be8b9b9bfded4da1ad0b4857dc4eae5

User avatar
ScrumpiesVeteran
Leather Rebel
Posts: 1356
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:59 am
Location: Leeds

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby ScrumpiesVeteran » Thu May 21, 2015 10:16 pm

not that bothered about the stage itself TBH, it's all about the bands and the sound quality for me.

They could play on a stack of pallets for all I care, with a backdrop of sack cloth.
ScrumpiesVeteran: "a great big bloke that smells of apples" - NOT !!!!

bass_militant
Lowly Peon
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:00 pm

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby bass_militant » Thu May 21, 2015 10:24 pm

The sound quality at the 2011 edition all but ruined the entire festival for me. But still never left me detached like at 2013.

I'll probably encounter the reasoning a lot that "Its all about the music though". But really, if it were only about the music, I'd stay at home in darkness with my Bathory albums. I just think for the price of a ticket, that I've been sold short all this time in terms of visuals.

User avatar
Skippy
Hell Bent for Leather
Posts: 2342
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 7:12 pm
Location: Somewhere crap

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby Skippy » Thu May 21, 2015 11:17 pm

With the amount of other things that need to be sorted, I'll stick with the snake banner thanks. If they could sort out the sound, provide a decent market and stalls and actually book some more "original bands and acts" then I'd start considering it.
BANDS I LIKE FOR BLOODSTOCK!!!

User avatar
CharlesDexterWard
Leather Rebel
Posts: 1470
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:37 am
Location: Bo'ness, West Lothian

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby CharlesDexterWard » Fri May 22, 2015 8:35 am

Frankly I don't care about the stage looking pretty. I care more about a safe campsite, decent toilets, edible food and good security.
You shall fetch me your universe's ultimate cup of coffee... black.
You have 5 Earth minutes...Make it perfect!

mathewxentrix88
Leather Rebel
Posts: 1217
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:30 pm
Location: Essex

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby mathewxentrix88 » Fri May 22, 2015 9:20 am

If Bloodstock wanted to spend money on improving anything-it should be the sound on mainstage.

User avatar
pinhead0303
Consort of the Beast
Posts: 398
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:48 pm

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby pinhead0303 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:03 pm

Skulls are very cool and even moreso giant ones. I for one would surely go and stand in a field for four days come rain or shine just to look at one.

JB65
Consort of the Beast
Posts: 427
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 5:09 pm
Location: Your mum's bum.

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby JB65 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:07 pm

A stage is a stage, you can go over the top and detract from the bands. Personally the BOA stage is fine. As others have said, the sound needs improving rather than the stage. Wacken's stages are nothing special but they have had some excellent performers on there right from first band at 11:00 am till last band at 2:00am the following morning all with pretty good sound quality.

User avatar
houston4044
Denim Demon
Posts: 4330
Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:58 pm

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby houston4044 » Fri May 22, 2015 3:41 pm

They need an inflatable bouncy castle stage!

The design of the stage means little to me beyond the practicalities of being able to see and hear the band well.

User avatar
Korthkor
Warrior of Metal
Posts: 195
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Ghaarenkor (town), Uttorutrothokor (region), Karthon (nation), Ulaan (planet), Mulahai (star system)

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby Korthkor » Fri May 22, 2015 4:04 pm

bass_militant wrote:The sound quality at the 2011 edition all but ruined the entire festival for me. But still never left me detached like at 2013.


So you're saying that something as inconsequential as the main stage construction made you decide not to attend the festival? Did a part of the stage collapse on you? Should we petition the festival organizers to resurrect Isambard Kingdom Brunel himself to re-design the stage into some almighty steampunk leviathan?

This really is the most utterly redundant complaint I've heard anyone speak of the festival. Considering that you've the privilege to travel to several European festivals, what have you really got to complain about?
I looked into the eye of the fish.

BOA 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14
Hammerfest 12, 13, 14, 15
BEER, BEER, BEERMAGEDDON! 14'

User avatar
Beardy
I am the Law!
Posts: 12668
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:52 pm
Location: Over the hills and far away

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby Beardy » Fri May 22, 2015 4:48 pm

If you put pictures of those stages on t-shirts they'd be up on the shite metal t-shirts top trumps page in a flash :lol:

I'm quite happy with a 'plain' stage that doesn't take away from whatever backdrop/set dressing the band(s) themselves may or may not bring with them. The sound is the most important thing.

bass_militant
Lowly Peon
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:00 pm

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby bass_militant » Fri May 22, 2015 11:17 pm

In regard to KorthKor's question; None of these festivals book the same kind of lineups that Bloodstock book. And also Bloodstock is sentimental to me in that it was my first festival experience (in '07), as well as being my 'local' Metal festival, seeing as its one of the -only- Metal festivals in Britain.

I can at least take solace in the fact that it isn't just me that thinks Bloodstock's sound system is incredibly lacking for its intended purpose. If I recall, the speakers actually gave out during Gojira's set in 2011.

I don't want to antagonise anyone who enjoys the festival as is, I just feel the festival (and indeed many other British festivals) are lacking in regards to the experience. I fear that Bloodstock as a physical experience is somewhat one-dimensional. I want something I can take away in memory from year-to-year besides 'band A' and 'band B'. The music will always be priority one, but I want something I can't get from just listening to the album at home.

Something that isn't somebody elses pee on my shoe, or warm beer down my back. haha.

User avatar
Skippy
Hell Bent for Leather
Posts: 2342
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 7:12 pm
Location: Somewhere crap

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby Skippy » Sat May 23, 2015 1:43 am

bass_militant wrote:
I don't want to antagonise anyone who enjoys the festival as is, I just feel the festival (and indeed many other British festivals) are lacking in regards to the experience. I fear that Bloodstock as a physical experience is somewhat one-dimensional. I want something I can take away in memory from year-to-year besides 'band A' and 'band B'. The music will always be priority one, but I want something I can't get from just listening to the album at home.

But why would a stage make a difference in telling between bands? A good number of bands would presumably be on that stage, and you'd not really be able to tell between them? Surely its up to the bands themselves to put on enough of a show to be able to tell them apart, or to seem like you aren't just listening to the album, not a festival and its stage?
BANDS I LIKE FOR BLOODSTOCK!!!

User avatar
Leemanruss
Knight of the Eemerald Svord
Posts: 682
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:49 pm
Location: Devon

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby Leemanruss » Sat May 23, 2015 8:39 am

Echoing everyone else's response - its the least of my worries when thinking about what other things Bloodstock needs to improve on, like the sound.
Atmosfest: '17 '18
BOA: '08 '09 '10 '11 '12 '13 '14 '15 '16 '17 '18 '19
Damnation: '11 '13 '16 '17
Download: '06
HammerFest: '09 '17
Hellfest: '17
HRH Vikings: '18
PMQF: '17 '18
Ragnarok: '18
Wacken: '17
Wacken Winter Nights: '19
Warhorns: '16 '17 '18 '19

User avatar
ScrumpiesVeteran
Leather Rebel
Posts: 1356
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:59 am
Location: Leeds

Re: Does Bloodstock need more imaginative stages?

Postby ScrumpiesVeteran » Sat May 23, 2015 5:23 pm

All British outdoor festivals struggle with sound quality to a certain extent, due to our variable weather/wind direction, which is certainly far more predictable on the Continent. The BOA site is adjacent to a river which also affects the wind.

I am still of the belief that lots of bands set up exactly as they would elsewhere, without taking this into consideration.

In recent years Avantasia, Therion, Slayer, Bodom (most recent appearance only), Alice Cooper and ironically Evil Scarecrow have all had good sound. This indicates that their sound engineers are obviously the dog's bollox and also hints that bands lower down the bill have not had either the opportunity or have not been bothered, to check the sound properly.

Yes, those bands are predominately power, but I am sure people can quote heavier bands that have also had good sound.

There have been recent issues (Sabaton/ Devvy and Firewind in particular) where there has been a failure in the sound system but unless any of us have inside info, we are unlikely to know what has caused it. However I am sure if the fault has been traced, measures will have been put in place to ensure it does not happen again (as far as these things can).
ScrumpiesVeteran: "a great big bloke that smells of apples" - NOT !!!!