mathewxentrix88 wrote:A lot of people have said they thought the sound on mainstage was better this year than previously.I definitely don't agree.Potentially amazing sets by Nuclear Assault,Dark Angel,Death(D.T.A) and Ensiferum were ruined by a poor mix but other bands (Savage Messiah,Opeth for example) sounded great so why is the sound quality so random?
Now i tend to stand somewhere down the middle where the cables are housed under the plastic "tramlines" so maybe i should be standing elsewhere?.I would have thought in the middle would be perfect but maybe not?
I'm not moaning for the sake of it but poor sound blighted most of the bands i was really looking forward to,to the point where me and the missus both crossed our fingers by the time Ensiferum came on hoping for the best.It was shit.
So guys-any thoughts? Am i standing in the wrong place?Why does it vary so much from band to band? Is there something wrong with my ears?
Anyway-to balance that i thought that Sophie and New Blood sound was great for the majority of bands in the tents-to the point that i spent a lot more time in those than in previous years-mainstage was just too frustrating for me-and it must be said-the other people i was with.
* It was significantly improved, the addition of a second line array on either side in case of malfunctions was a smart idea after the last few years and paid dividends after the Sabaton issues started.
* Nope the middle where the "tramlines" are is the best space for you, typically putting yourself half way between the tower and the stage whilst on said lines will be the average region where the sound coverage from left and right is at its best.
* Nothing wrong with your ears, nothing wrong with the sound on mainstage. The reason each band sounds so random is because each band on mainstage has its own semi-autonomous crew.
These crews travel with the band and do the sound for them and typically only them (although sometimes they'll do the supports too if they're paid extra) at every gig and festival they play on a contracted number of dates, some super rich bands have long term dedicated crew for the job but other bands have to rely on who is decent and available for the dates required and hence these engineers have to learn the mix rapidly and don't have as much time to experiment with what works best till they find the method that works best. Not all engineers are equal either so some are just not quite as good. The reason these crews are only semi-autonomous is that festivals and venues typically provide a house crew (or a few guys from the PA rental company for festivals) who basically babysit the process just in case the gear fucks up.
* Mixing indoors, even in a marquee tent is a different animal to mixing open air and a decent portion of engineers are far more experienced with the challenges of indoor venues than outdoor ones.
* Not all festivals and gigs use the same house gear and occasionally desks (particularly digital ones) have different ways of achieving the desired result from others and since you have to basically familiarise yourself on the fly with what you're using if you've not used one before that sometimes doesn't help.
bloodblind wrote:I thought the sound was pretty dam good all weekend and I have a good ear and play in bands like yourself. If I find the mix is weak where I'm standing I'll move until it comes into phase with how I like it and get that peak sound if you know what I mean, although sometimes that's just not possible. Nuclear assault being one example. I reckon that a lot of it is actually down to the bands themselves and their gear, guitar sounds etc, you can't polish a turd as they say but for example I've never once had trouble hearing andreas kissers guitar, why? Because he has such a dialled in tone and doesn't use any shitty effects that it's easy to mix. Same for Opeth and a few others. Death sounded great I thought and very authentic to the classic sound on their records from Human through to Sound of Persevearance. A few bands did have a bit of sound issue but I think it wasn't so bad as to spoil my enjoyment of them
To be honest in my experience mixing guitars using less effects is typically harder than more. If a guitarist has invested in effects he's doing about 2/3rds of the work in getting his sound how it should be and you're really just trouble shooting errant frequencies in the mix and ensuring a balance against the vocals and the rhythm section. A guitar tone that has less effects (depending on what's actually missing) can sound threadbare, weak and bland and it then becomes your job to make him sound great because he hasn't bothered. Some like Andreas might not use many effects but they've put the same amount of work into their sound using amp settings so it's typically the same job mixing them as it would be for a band who do use a lot of pedals.
The one major issue that guitarists with pedals really need to wake the fuck up to is signal loss due to the pedal chain. It's rarely an issue at the level we're talking about but amateur guitarists rocking up with 8 or so pedals and wondering why their guitar sounds weak as hell really need to either cut back or invest in some good signal boosters. After guitarists who fail to properly gain stage their solo channels (and hence switch to it for a solo and it gets way too quiet), people not properly considering their signal chain is probably my least favourite part of mixing guitarists live.