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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Skippy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:52 am

I don't think there's any way to really please everyone when you are playing as a DJ - personally at a metal festival like Bloodstock, I'd rather listen to dance music in the night, just because it's different to what I've heard all day. I hate hearing the same songs over and over, and that's why I've never stayed in the tent for longer than about 4 or 5 songs when I've been in there in the past. That said, I completely understand why they stick to the same generic songs, but I'll never understand why they don't use the New Blood tent as well after hours and put other music in there. I've suggested it for years, it seems like it would make most people happier.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:58 am

metalicbear wrote:I find it baffling that anyone can moan about an event putting on additional entertainment to keep people happy. Karaoke, DJ's, Wrestling, Burlesque, it's all good.


I just don't understand the fact that people need "entertainment" provided by the festival. You're at a Heavy Metal festival, why does everyone seem to NEED other things to keep them occupied? If you want fun then Alton Towers is down the road.

I also want to know what is wrong with being "elite".

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That doesn't seem so bad. :eyes:
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Postby tmcgoay » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 pm

Skippy wrote:I don't think there's any way to really please everyone when you are playing as a DJ - personally at a metal festival like Bloodstock, I'd rather listen to dance music in the night, just because it's different to what I've heard all day. I hate hearing the same songs over and over, and that's why I've never stayed in the tent for longer than about 4 or 5 songs when I've been in there in the past. That said, I completely understand why they stick to the same generic songs, but I'll never understand why they don't use the New Blood tent as well after hours and put other music in there. I've suggested it for years, it seems like it would make most people happier.

i've been saying that if the SL tent is going to be the "party"tent playing standard rock/metal night tracks then they should use the new blood tent for either more extreme music or theme nights(goth/EBM/Darkwave)
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:04 am

metalicbear wrote:Nobody wants to go to a club night and listen to Napalm Death and Obituary, they're not the kind of bands which attract people when they're drunk and want to dance.

Well your wrong here as I for one would love to hear that kind of stuff and think it's far more appropriate than RATM.

I'm with Gandalf on this one (mostly) I think this is a metal festival for metal connoisseurs, people are at the festival because they have a specific taste in music, there not there just to get drunk and listen to catchy tunes. The Djs are an afterthought, and I think it's too be expected for the fans to want to hear the more specailist stuff that is the main attraction of the festival.
I think the problem with late night entertainment is that it attracts a slightly different crowd or even mentality to the day, or at least it seems too, it probably mostly due to alcohol. It is very annoying that the djs play the same old local rock club stuff all the time, and it is not suprising it pisses off the connoisseurs or 'elitists'. It's like going to a food and drink festival that only serves McDonald's at a certain time. The thing that frustrates me is that people request the same old rubbish, and the same old songs, where are these people coming from and why are they at Bloodstock?
Don't get me wrong I actually like alot of the more mainstream stuff, I like RATM and Pantera, and I get the whole getting drunk and wanting to hear something more catchy, it's just this kind of stuff seems misplaced, it's ok to have a bit of it but come on this is Bloodstock! This is for the true metal fans, the people passionate about the genres represented by the bands that play, this is not for the casual Slipknot or Pantera fan that only know the singles off the album.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:08 am

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bloodofthekings wrote:*On a side note, if what people have said about the DJs playing the same song more than once in a night that is a massive DJ faux-pas and they should be rightly criticised for that. They can't use the excuse of "oh, it's multiple DJs so there's bound to be repeat songs" - just write down what you've played so the next person doesn't duplicate it, it's not hard.


I guess the problem here is you have 13000 in attendance and not all of them are in the tent on the same night. So if you play Angel of Death on the Friday and then get 15 requests for it from a completely different set of people on Saturday night its tempting to give them what they want.


It really annoys me when people request the same thing like this, any true Slayer fan would be more than happy to have any of there other great songs of that era, and not having to repeat. Just choose any other song on that album for starters!

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:24 am

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Skippy wrote:I don't think there's any way to really please everyone when you are playing as a DJ - personally at a metal festival like Bloodstock, I'd rather listen to dance music in the night, just because it's different to what I've heard all day. I hate hearing the same songs over and over, and that's why I've never stayed in the tent for longer than about 4 or 5 songs when I've been in there in the past. That said, I completely understand why they stick to the same generic songs, but I'll never understand why they don't use the New Blood tent as well after hours and put other music in there. I've suggested it for years, it seems like it would make most people happier.

i've been saying that if the SL tent is going to be the "party"tent playing standard rock/metal night tracks then they should use the new blood tent for either more extreme music or theme nights(goth/EBM/Darkwave)

That's a great idea. And I think EBM and industrial electronic stuff would work really well as an alternative.
Failing that have Dance music like Skippy said if people want to dance at night, and something different, would make just as much sense as the pop rock the djs play. I think alot of people would rather something different than watered down and radio friendly version's of the metal genre.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby bloodofthekings » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:07 am

Warlock wrote:I'm with Gandalf on this one (mostly) I think this is a metal festival for metal connoisseurs.


Warlock wrote:The thing that frustrates me is that people request the same old rubbish, and the same old songs, where are these people coming from and why are they at Bloodstock?


Warlock wrote:This is for the true metal fans, the people passionate about the genres represented by the bands that play, this is not for the casual Slipknot or Pantera fan that only know the singles off the album.


Jesus. "Connoisseurs", "true metal fans" - really? What next - are people going to have to take some sort of test before they buy a ticket to prove how "metal" they are? It's this kind of snobby, elitist, "I'm more metal than you" mentality that shouldn't have a place at Bloodstock, not the people who are quite happy to get drunk and listen to some, (brace yourself) popular rock and metal tunes and just have a good time.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people don't seem to understand what a DJ's job actually is. Shockingly, it's to fill the dance-floor and please the majority - not the snobby know-it-alls at the back of the room who wouldn't even get up and dance anyway if their songs were played and instead would just end up stood at the back of the room looking pleased with themselves. If the majority of people are requesting the big, rock-club floor-fillers and/or are responding to them when they get played, then the DJs will continue to play them, simple as. As I said before, I'm not saying the DJs are perfect - they should certainly mix in bands more akin to Bloodstock with the popular stuff and if they're not then yes, that is an area they need to improve on (and they certainly shouldn't be playing a song more than once in the same night - massive no-no) but that stuff would still need to be in the minority otherwise you're gonna have a rather empty tent on your hands pretty quickly. I really don't see how anyone can argue that the big rock-club floor-fillers have no place whatsoever in the tent for the late-night entertainment.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:31 am

Warlock wrote: It's like going to a food and drink festival that only serves McDonald's at a certain time.


Off topic. But I know someone that went to a CAMRA run real ale festival and complained that they had no beers that he had heard of. He seriously expected them to have Fosters/Heineken/Castlemaine/Carlsberg. :lol:
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:52 am

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Warlock wrote:I'm with Gandalf on this one (mostly) I think this is a metal festival for metal connoisseurs.


Warlock wrote:The thing that frustrates me is that people request the same old rubbish, and the same old songs, where are these people coming from and why are they at Bloodstock?


Warlock wrote:This is for the true metal fans, the people passionate about the genres represented by the bands that play, this is not for the casual Slipknot or Pantera fan that only know the singles off the album.


Jesus. "Connoisseurs", "true metal fans" - really? What next - are people going to have to take some sort of test before they buy a ticket to prove how "metal" they are? It's this kind of snobby, elitist, "I'm more metal than you" mentality that shouldn't have a place at Bloodstock, not the people who are quite happy to get drunk and listen to some, (brace yourself) popular rock and metal tunes and just have a good time.



You've got to realise that the festival was set up for people that liked bands that weren't getting booked for places like Download (whatever it was called at that point). It really was a "True Metal" festival rather than a festival for random Rock and Metal fans that have heard of one song by Pantera or Slayer.

It maybe worth looking at the early line ups rather than complain that some of the people who have attended from the start don't want to hear bands that wouldn't get booked to play even now the festival is bigger. Why should we be hearing RATM, Foo Fighters and Korn when we want Hammerfall, Edguy and Primal Fear? The answer to that is it's turning into a mini Download for people who don't find music but are spoonfed mainstream crap from the likes of Kerrang, Metal Hammer and the BBC Radio One Rock Show.

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Postby bloodofthekings » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:10 am

I went to the indoor festivals from 2003-2006 as well as the first 2 open air festivals (and have then been every year consistently since 2010) so I don't need educating on the origins of the festival, thank you. If anything, to me, the black/death/extreme metal that some people are saying should be played by the DJs in the tent are as out of place at what I consider Bloodstock to be about as the 'popular' bands.
As much as I personally would love to hear loads of power metal in the late-night entertainment, I'm aware that this would not keep a full tent all night - the same as Napalm Death/Obituary/Emperor/ etc. etc. I'm not saying they shouldn't play that stuff - they should. What I'm saying is don't expect to be the majority of what you hear because you're appealing to different niches of the crowd by doing that. Power metal fans would be unlikely to respond when the black and death metal comes on and vice-versa. However when they play Pantera, RATM, Slipknot, etc. etc. that will appeal to a broader cross-section of the audience and they're obviously the songs that are getting the biggest responses so they're going to keep playing them - it's really not that hard to figure out.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby ScrumpiesVeteran » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:21 am

Adam, the problem is that the DJs ONLY play the generic stuff and don't have the confidence/ability to play anything different at all. If you ask if they have Edguy (a band - as you know - that has played numerous times at BOA) they look shifty and state "they will have a look". The same applies for numerous other artists.

I have been convinced in previous years that they are playing directly from a memory stick, in track order, especially as they tend to play tracks in the same order each night.

I know from the amount of hard work that you have done over the years that being a metal DJ is no easy task and a thankless one on occasions too, but unfortunately the guys at BOA just come across as lazy.

It would improve in leaps and bounds if you would do the job one year !
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby metalicbear » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:53 am

Warlock wrote:Well your wrong here as I for one would love to hear that kind of stuff and think it's far more appropriate than RATM.


How is it more appropriate to play music by niche bands for niche fans at a festival which attracts nearly 15k people. Surely it's more appropriate to play music for the mass market.

Warlock wrote:I'm with Gandalf on this one (mostly) I think this is a metal festival for metal connoisseurs, people are at the festival because they have a specific taste in music, there not there just to get drunk and listen to catchy tunes.


It's not a festival for Metal connoisseurs. It's a festival which specialises in Metal and Hard Rock which attracts a whole range of people who like Metal and it's very many sub-genres. There will also be a lot of people there who were unable to go to festivals such as Download either because they couldn't afford it or because they couldn't get time off.

Warlock wrote:The Djs are an afterthought, and I think it's too be expected for the fans to want to hear the more specailist stuff that is the main attraction of the festival.
I think the problem with late night entertainment is that it attracts a slightly different crowd or even mentality to the day, or at least it seems too, it probably mostly due to alcohol. It is very annoying that the djs play the same old local rock club stuff all the time, and it is not suprising it pisses off the connoisseurs or 'elitists'. It's like going to a food and drink festival that only serves McDonald's at a certain time. .


The Nightclub/ DJ's aren't an afterthought, they are an added entertainment at every single festival to allow people to carry on the party after bands have finished.

Perhaps it attracts a different mentality because people want to listen to different music than what they've listened to all day, maybe it's because Metal floor-filler anthems such as Walk and Killing in the Name Of are more accessible and more recognised than your niche songs by Obituary, maybe it's because the more popular/ commercial songs are more fun, maybe they create a better atmosphere because people have actually heard of the songs, maybe just maybe people actually prefer bands such as Pantera to Napalm Death and are sick of hearing bands like that.


Warlock wrote:The thing that frustrates me is that people request the same old rubbish, and the same old songs, where are these people coming from and why are they at Bloodstock?


They are at Bloodstock because they paid to go. The "rubbish" they've requested is likely to be more popular amongst the crowd there than the elitists song choices from random not so popular albums which only a couple of people have heard of.

Warlock wrote:Don't get me wrong I actually like alot of the more mainstream stuff, I like RATM and Pantera, and I get the whole getting drunk and wanting to hear something more catchy, it's just this kind of stuff seems misplaced, it's ok to have a bit of it but come on this is Bloodstock! This is for the true metal fans, the people passionate about the genres represented by the bands that play, this is not for the casual Slipknot or Pantera fan that only know the singles off the album.


How is a Metal song being played at a Metal festival misplaced? Bloodstock isn't for True Metal fans, it's for anyone who pays to go to the event.

You need to start accepting that times are moving on, Bloodstock is going to attract 18 year olds who's favourite bands are Bring Me The Horizon and Avenged Sevenfold who are interested in seeing bands such as Mastodon and Gojira who they may have watched last year at Leeds or Reading or Download and want to watch them again. It's going to attract the older generation who are in to bands such as Twisted Sister and Diamond Head, it's going to attract the Metal-heads who worship all things Slayer. There's a lot of different kinds of music fans at the festival and they want to hear music they like, how is that a problem?

Bloodstock has realised that in order to progress or sustain high levels it has to move with the times, the biggest Metal festival in Europe (Wacken) has moved on and sells out every year, showcasing many different bands such as this year - Whitesnake, Foreigner, Therapy?, Michael Monroe, The Black Dahlia Murder, Bullet For MY Valentine, While She Sleeps etc. You probably think that none of those should be at BOA, perhaps you should move on with the times or go to a festival that specialises in Elitist, Metal Connoisseur music.

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Postby Gandalf the Red » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:57 am

bloodofthekings wrote:I went to the indoor festivals from 2003-2006 as well as the first 2 open air festivals (and have then been every year consistently since 2010) so I don't need educating on the origins of the festival, thank you. If anything, to me, the black/death/extreme metal that some people are saying should be played by the DJs in the tent are as out of place at what I consider Bloodstock to be about as the 'popular' bands.
As much as I personally would love to hear loads of power metal in the late-night entertainment, I'm aware that this would not keep a full tent all night - the same as Napalm Death/Obituary/Emperor/ etc. etc. I'm not saying they shouldn't play that stuff - they should. What I'm saying is don't expect to be the majority of what you hear because you're appealing to different niches of the crowd by doing that. Power metal fans would be unlikely to respond when the black and death metal comes on and vice-versa. However when they play Pantera, RATM, Slipknot, etc. etc. that will appeal to a broader cross-section of the audience and they're obviously the songs that are getting the biggest responses so they're going to keep playing them - it's really not that hard to figure out.


It's variety that I'm after, not a pure extreme night, Power Metal or classic Metal night. If it's properly mixed up then you know the next song may be what you want to hear. But no, it goes into Nu-metal and Alternative Rock or cheesy Rock ballads. And you know that's what your going to get for the next hour so you join the exodus to the exit.

Surely a DJ that knows his Metal can come up with a set of four hours (twelve over four days) or so of Metal without resorting to the clichés or inappropriate songs? Even when it comes to Pantera then surely they know more than one song? :lol:
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Postby ScrumpiesVeteran » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:01 am

Exactly !!!

If the DJs actually played the bands quoted in the final 2 paragraphs of the last but one post, there would not be an issue in my book as it is a variety. The difficulty is that they don't and when they do play particular artists, they play the generic tracks.

How many times do we have to hear Fucking Hostile and South of Heaven in one night ?
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Postby metalicbear » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:23 am

Gandalf the Red wrote:
It maybe worth looking at the early line ups rather than complain that some of the people who have attended from the start don't want to hear bands that wouldn't get booked to play even now the festival is bigger. Why should we be hearing RATM, Foo Fighters and Korn when we want Hammerfall, Edguy and Primal Fear? The answer to that is it's turning into a mini Download for people who don't find music but are spoonfed mainstream crap.


Not strictly true. Bloodstock has always booked whatever Metal bands are popular relevant to the size of the festival. Look at the earlier festivals, bands such as -

Biomechanical - Deathstars - Breed 77 - Panic Cell - Gotthard etc

Even more "bloodstock" type bands have been championed by Metal Hammer for a long time such as -

Children of Bodom - Turisas - Evile - Firewind - Lacuna Coil - In Flames - Opeth - Epica - Dream Evil - Arch Enemy etc

Bloodstock has always dabbled in what ever sub-genre has been popular that year.

People on here moaning about DJ's playing songs by RATM, but didn't seem to mind Soulfly actually playing 8 years ago, who were made famous by collaborations with the likes of Corey Taylor and Limp Bizkit; who were right in the heart of the Nu-Metal movement.