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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby bloodofthekings » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:52 am

ScrumpiesVeteran wrote:Adam, the problem is that the DJs ONLY play the generic stuff and don't have the confidence/ability to play anything different at all. If you ask if they have Edguy (a band - as you know - that has played numerous times at BOA) they look shifty and state "they will have a look". The same applies for numerous other artists.

I have been convinced in previous years that they are playing directly from a memory stick, in track order, especially as they tend to play tracks in the same order each night.

I know from the amount of hard work that you have done over the years that being a metal DJ is no easy task and a thankless one on occasions too, but unfortunately the guys at BOA just come across as lazy.

It would improve in leaps and bounds if you would do the job one year !


Haha, thank you! As I've said before I don't spend a lot of time in the tent after the bands as we retire off to the hotel and I completely agree that there needs to be variety (I'd be very interested to see the DJs setlists after the festival). Like I said, I'm not automatically defending the DJs and if they're ONLY sticking to the standard floor-fillers and classic rock power ballads then no, of course that's lazy and the wrong decision for a Bloodstock after party. But I do think some people's expectations are rather unrealistic when you consider the DJs need to fill the tent and not just cater to a vocal minority.
Whilst it's unreasonable to expect an entire night of the generic, usual songs and nothing else, it's also unreasonable to expect none of those songs or to expect the peak of the night to be anything but big, popular songs. A decent DJ will keep the venue's dance-floor full all night and may 'play it safe' in order to do that. A very good DJ however, will throw in a variety and be willing to try different stuff and if it doesn't work, have a steady collection of songs to fall back on to get the floor back. But even they, in the peak of the night, will not venture too far from what they know will work as, as the night wears on, it only takes one or two tracks to bomb and suddenly you have a mass-exodus on your hands.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:45 pm

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Warlock wrote: It's like going to a food and drink festival that only serves McDonald's at a certain time.


Off topic. But I know someone that went to a CAMRA run real ale festival and complained that they had no beers that he had heard of. He seriously expected them to have Fosters/Heineken/Castlemaine/Carlsberg. :lol:

That's exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about, people just can't seem to do without what they know and the mainstream

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:11 pm

metalicbear wrote:How is it more appropriate to play music by niche bands for niche fans at a festival which attracts nearly 15k people. Surely it's more appropriate to play music for the mass market

So seriously your argument here is that because it's a festival which plays niche music for niche fans therefore they should cater to a mass market? Do you not see the contradiction? what your saying doesn't make sense therefore I cannot take what your saying seriously.

metalicbear wrote:-It's a festival which specialises in Metal and Hard Rock which attracts a whole range of people who like Metal and it's very many sub-genres'
- that sounds like its for connoisseurs to me!

metalicbear wrote:The Nightclub/ DJ's aren't an afterthought, they are an added entertainment at every single festival to allow people to carry on the party after bands have finished.

Perhaps it attracts a different mentality because people want to listen to different music than what they've listened to all day, maybe it's because Metal floor-filler anthems such as Walk and Killing in the Name Of are more accessible and more recognised than your niche songs by Obituary, maybe it's because the more popular/ commercial songs are more fun, maybe they create a better atmosphere because people have actually heard of the songs, maybe just maybe people actually prefer bands such as Pantera to Napalm Death and are sick of hearing bands like that.

Of course it's an afterthought! It would be ridiculous to claim otherwise, how much money thought and planning goes into the djs compared to the rest of the festival!
And it's not necessarily bands they've listen to all day, there are many bands that don't play, excuse me for expecting that fans of these bands and genres would want to hear that kind of stuff how ridiculous of me to suggest such a thing! All the fans should just suddenly forget what they like and try to enjoy something that gets played on a weekly basis at the local rock club. I think you'll find people are sick of hearing that.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:42 pm

metalicbear wrote:They are at Bloodstock because they paid to go. The "rubbish" they've requested is likely to be more popular amongst the crowd there than the elitists song choices from random not so popular albums which only a couple of people have heard of.

Yes you are right. They paid to go see aload of niche and specialist bands and sometimes more mainstream ones, so why would it be expected for them to be requesting the same old boring and obvious choices? Do these people just sit and wait when a bands on until there fav song comes on? Or do they enjoy the whole set?
Just because some people haven't heard of a song doesn't mean they can't enjoy it! I think most Bloodstock goers have a wider range of knowledge and passion for metal than you realise.

metalicbear wrote:How is a Metal song being played at a Metal festival misplaced? Bloodstock isn't for True Metal fans, it's for anyone who pays to go to the event.

Maybe misplaced is the wrong word, of course there should be mainstream stuff aswell, just not all. I think most people who go would consider themselves true metal fans.

metalicbear wrote:You need to start accepting that times are moving on, Bloodstock is going to attract 18 year olds who's favourite bands are Bring Me The Horizon and Avenged Sevenfold who are interested in seeing bands such as Mastodon and Gojira who they may have watched last year at Leeds or Reading or Download and want to watch them again. It's going to attract the older generation who are in to bands such as Twisted Sister and Diamond Head, it's going to attract the Metal-heads who worship all things Slayer. There's a lot of different kinds of music fans at the festival and they want to hear music they like, how is that a problem?


I never said that was a problem did I? I never said that the djs should not play these bands, I in fact think they should, it would make a welcome change to the weekly rock club same old, as long as it wasn't always the same songs and was mixed in with what the older generation like.
I don't understand your point here as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what we're talking about.

metalicbear wrote:Bloodstock has realised that in order to progress or sustain high levels it has to move with the times, the biggest Metal festival in Europe (Wacken) has moved on and sells out every year, showcasing many different bands such as this year - Whitesnake, Foreigner, Therapy?, Michael Monroe, The Black Dahlia Murder, Bullet For MY Valentine, While She Sleeps etc. You probably think that none of those should be at BOA, perhaps you should move on with the times or go to a festival that specialises in Elitist, Metal Connoisseur music.


Again I can't see your point here, it seems you have gone off on a tangent. I totally agree those bands should be given the chance to play, why do you think I would not? What has that got to do with the djs playing the same old?
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:05 am

bloodofthekings wrote:Jesus. "Connoisseurs", "true metal fans" - really? What next - are people going to have to take some sort of test before they buy a ticket to prove how "metal" they are? It's this kind of snobby, elitist, "I'm more metal than you" mentality that shouldn't have a place at Bloodstock, not the people who are quite happy to get drunk and listen to some, (brace yourself) popular rock and metal tunes and just have a good time.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people don't seem to understand what a DJ's job actually is. Shockingly, it's to fill the dance-floor and please the majority - not the snobby know-it-alls at the back of the room who wouldn't even get up and dance anyway if their songs were played and instead would just end up stood at the back of the room looking pleased with themselves. If the majority of people are requesting the big, rock-club floor-fillers and/or are responding to them when they get played, then the DJs will continue to play them, simple as. As I said before, I'm not saying the DJs are perfect - they should certainly mix in bands more akin to Bloodstock with the popular stuff and if they're not then yes, that is an area they need to improve on (and they certainly shouldn't be playing a song more than once in the same night - massive no-no) but that stuff would still need to be in the minority otherwise you're gonna have a rather empty tent on your hands pretty quickly. I really don't see how anyone can argue that the big rock-club floor-fillers have no place whatsoever in the tent for the late-night entertainment.


I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. You are taking words like Connoisseurs and True metal fans and changing them into something negative, my use of these terms was not to come off as snobby or more metal than you or whatever, they are just words I used for lack of a better term, It's a shame you found them to be negative, was not my intention to upset anyone. I thought they were perfectly innocent terms and used quite alot so we all can relate or understand. I also explained how I like alot of popular rock and metal tunes, and never claimed to be more metal or whatever than anyone else. I was merely explaining my point and I stick to it.

As for knowing what the djs job is, I am very aware. I guess it just suprises me that people are so eager to hear the same old that gets played every week at your local club, and why people who want to hear something more akin to the music the festival puts on should be marginalized. It saddens me to think that people think that certain genres and styles shouldn't be played in order to please a mindset that it has too be big floor fillers for people to have a good time.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:21 am

bloodofthekings wrote:
ScrumpiesVeteran wrote:Adam, the problem is that the DJs ONLY play the generic stuff and don't have the confidence/ability to play anything different at all. If you ask if they have Edguy (a band - as you know - that has played numerous times at BOA) they look shifty and state "they will have a look". The same applies for numerous other artists.

I have been convinced in previous years that they are playing directly from a memory stick, in track order, especially as they tend to play tracks in the same order each night.

I know from the amount of hard work that you have done over the years that being a metal DJ is no easy task and a thankless one on occasions too, but unfortunately the guys at BOA just come across as lazy.

It would improve in leaps and bounds if you would do the job one year !


Haha, thank you! As I've said before I don't spend a lot of time in the tent after the bands as we retire off to the hotel and I completely agree that there needs to be variety (I'd be very interested to see the DJs setlists after the festival). Like I said, I'm not automatically defending the DJs and if they're ONLY sticking to the standard floor-fillers and classic rock power ballads then no, of course that's lazy and the wrong decision for a Bloodstock after party. But I do think some people's expectations are rather unrealistic when you consider the DJs need to fill the tent and not just cater to a vocal minority.
Whilst it's unreasonable to expect an entire night of the generic, usual songs and nothing else, it's also unreasonable to expect none of those songs or to expect the peak of the night to be anything but big, popular songs. A decent DJ will keep the venue's dance-floor full all night and may 'play it safe' in order to do that. A very good DJ however, will throw in a variety and be willing to try different stuff and if it doesn't work, have a steady collection of songs to fall back on to get the floor back. But even they, in the peak of the night, will not venture too far from what they know will work as, as the night wears on, it only takes one or two tracks to bomb and suddenly you have a mass-exodus on your hands.


This was basically the same point as I was making, and seems like you understand that certain things would be the wrong decision for the after party.
At the end of the day I just want like Gandalf to have a variety, hear songs I like and can head bang too, hear stuff that will please the more melodic people, stuff for the young and old and a bit of mainstream suff too, just not all of one kind of thing. It sounds like quite a big task and maybe it is but surely it can be done without having to resort to the same old, ie instead of playing Walk by Pantera, why not Mouth for War, Becoming or 5 minutes alone? Why not Napalm Death or Edguy if someones requested it? Its sad to think music fans at a festival would just leave the tent on the sole reason that the current track isn't one they like, If that was the case for me I'd never set foot in there!
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Tet » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:21 pm

There are clearly a lot of people here that have never tried DJing to a live audience. I'm not saying the 4DJOTA or whoever else is doing Bloodstock these days always get it right. But some of the suggestions being made here are just ludicrous.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby tmcgoay » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:29 pm

is it possible that some wind up merchant requests "walk" when the dj's are walking up and down with a sheet of paper.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:40 pm

Tet wrote:There are clearly a lot of people here that have never tried DJing to a live audience. I'm not saying the 4DJOTA or whoever else is doing Bloodstock these days always get it right. But some of the suggestions being made here are just ludicrous.


Rule number one. Know your audience.

Rule number two. Keep your audience happy.

Rule number three. You're there to sell alcohol. If they're dancing then they aren't drinking. The ones who are listening to the music are drinking.

Rule number four. If the venue is empty then they aren't buying drinks.

I've worked and drank in pubs and clubs with DJs, live bands and jukeboxes for most of my life. I know how they work.

Certain songs people drink to, Van Halen, Motorhead and Judas Priest are examples, but if you play two hours of Pink Floyd then you don't sell any alcohol because everyone chills out. That's why the pub hasn't got Pink Floyd on the jukebox anymore. Because some boring bastard used to put £5 worth of PF on. You'd be surprised how much PF you can get for a fiver. :lol:
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Postby tmcgoay » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:36 pm

So can we see how awkward it could be to DJ that tent for an hour? Could you pick a playlist for the DJ's of 10-15 songs that includes some generic/mainstream rocknight staples, some obscure tracks to keep the elitists happy and everyone else spending money at the bar and then some "BOA middle-of-the-road" metal to keep most people in the tent?
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby phuqsticks » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:46 pm

tmcgoay wrote:So can we see how awkward it could be to DJ that tent for an hour? Could you pick a playlist for the DJ's of 10-15 songs that includes some generic/mainstream rocknight staples, some obscure tracks to keep the elitists happy and everyone else spending money at the bar and then some "BOA middle-of-the-road" metal to keep most people in the tent?


Challenge accepted. Never Djed before, but here's my playlist:

Amon Amarth - Guardians Of Asgaard
Ministry - Jesus Built My Hotrod
Slipknot - Surfacing
Diablo Swing Orcestra - Balrog Boogie
Korpiklaani - Happy Little Boozer
Belphegor - Bondage Goat Zombie
Dio - We Rock
Candlemass - Solitude
Skindred - Nobody
Skamold -Gleipnir
Skyclad - Another Drinking Song
Walls Of Jericho - A long Walk Home
Grand Magus - Kingslayer
Delain - We Are The Others

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:27 pm

Easy. Although I'll be avoiding the likes of Drowning Pool as most of my clubbing was done pre Millennium. :P


And trying to avoid obvious songs like Number of the Beast and Ace Of Spades.


Heavy Metal classics.

Iron Maiden - Two Minutes To Midnight
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Motorhead - (We Are) The Road Crew
Scorpions - Big City Nights
Accept - Restless And Wild
Manowar - Fighting The World
Rainbow - Stargazer
Helloween - Future World
Dio - Rainbow In The Dark
Deep Purple - Highway Star
Megadeth - These Boots - just to piss the writer off :lol:


Slightly cheesy Hard Rock/Metal

Van Halen - Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Europe - Rock The Night
Whitesnake - Crying In The Rain
Motley Crue - Looks That Kill
Kiss - Heaven's On Fire
AC/DC - Big Balls
Quiet Riot - Cum On Feel The Noize

Extreme/obscure stuff

Obituary - Cause Of Death
Celtic Frost - Circle Of The Tyrants
Sabbat - For Those That Died
Bathory - A Fine Day To Die
Napalm Death - Suffer The Children
Sodom - Napalm In The Morning
Tankard - (Empty) Tankard
Sepultura - Troops Of Doom

Bloodstock favourites (bands that have played or due to play more than once)

Saxon - And The Bands Played On
Twisted Sister - I am (I'm Me)
Carcass - No Love Lost
Blind Guardian - The Bards Song
Hell - On Earth As It Is In Hell
Testament - Over The Wall
Sabaton - Cliffs Of Gallipoli
Exodus - Piranha
Turisas - To Holmgard And Beyond
Kreator - Flag Of Hate
Primal Fear - Metal Is Forever
Amon Amarth - The Pursuit of Vikings
Slayer - Altar Of Sacrifice
Evil Scarecrow - Robototron :P


Just needs a bit of randomness and that should keep people occupied for a while.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:01 am

Tet wrote:There are clearly a lot of people here that have never tried DJing to a live audience. I'm not saying the 4DJOTA or whoever else is doing Bloodstock these days always get it right. But some of the suggestions being made here are just ludicrous.


What suggestions do you think are ludicrous? I have Djed before, I think its possible to get the right balance. Maybe I am just expecting too much, but I think there is room for improvement in my opinion. I guess there are just diferent definitions of whether they are doing a good job or not.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby CharlesDexterWard » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:45 am

Perhaps I am easily pleased but I just want some entertaining tunes. I would be happy with some full on metal, some old classics, some obscure stuff and even some dance or techno thrown in for a laugh.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby metalicbear » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:17 am

My idea of a club night is people drinking, dancing, flirting and having a good time.

I don't think it should be people sat in a corner of a room talking or looking bored.

You want a good fun atmosphere, you want recognisable songs that everyone knows and will enjoy, whether they're singing along, dancing or whatever.

A lot of the songs on these lists are terrible choices because people are trying to choose alternative songs to the tried and tested just to be different.