Late night entertainment on the SL stage

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:53 am

metalicbear wrote:My idea of a club night is people drinking, dancing, flirting and having a good time.

I don't think it should be people sat in a corner of a room talking or looking bored.

You want a good fun atmosphere, you want recognisable songs that everyone knows and will enjoy, whether they're singing along, dancing or whatever.

A lot of the songs on these lists are terrible choices because people are trying to choose alternative songs to the tried and tested just to be different.


If anyone doesn't know 95% of the songs in my list then they are definitely attending the wrong festival.

Half of the songs I picked were upbeat. I avoided anything slow and morose. Didn't pick any Doom, Black and very little Death. Hell, I even put in dollops of cheese. If you can't flirt and dance to stuff like Motley Crue, Van Halen and Quiet Riot, but can to Pantera then there's something wrong.

Tried and tested? Who by? Just because something works in a small nightclub in some shitty town in Essex doesn't mean it works at a festival.

I've a feeling that Metalicbear may be one of the 4DJOTA, or at least know them. He seems very protective of any criticism. :lol:
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby bloodofthekings » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:10 am

Gandalf the Red wrote:
Rule number one. Know your audience.

Rule number two. Keep your audience happy.

Rule number three. You're there to sell alcohol. If they're dancing then they aren't drinking. The ones who are listening to the music are drinking.

Rule number four. If the venue is empty then they aren't buying drinks.


The over-arching point that many are making though is that Bloodstock has a variety of people attending the festival who all would want different things from the tent after hours so therefore rules number one and two are easier said than done. As for rules three and four, the DJs are not there to sell alcohol. It's a metal festival - the alcohol will sell itself. As a DJ you are there to keep the dancefloor busy - not to appeal to people who just want to stand around drinking and talking.
You're right that people who are dancing are not drinking but that's why you vary up the music selection and if you get it right, the dancefloor will rotate. Even people who are up and enjoying a bit of a dance will still drift off to the bar and get a drink when they want one - no amount of good tunes is going to stop them from doing that.

Where it goes tits-up from a DJ's perspective is if you switch to a particular block of songs or style and the dancefloor is empty - that's when you switch it back to what you know will work. If you start putting on more extreme stuff and the only people feeling it are the ones at the back chatting with drinks in their hands then the extreme stuff is gonna get switched off pretty quick. Sorry but that's just the way it works. If you want to hear particular songs or particular types of music then when it comes on - respond to it. Otherwise, you probably won't get it again for a while.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby houston4044 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:06 pm

Or maybe they invest in a quiet disco set up and have 3 or 4 channels to select from so people can choose and cater to more people. Those who just want a chat and a beer can just take the headphones off for a bit.

Going to cost a fair few bob but if it means attracting more people to the tent then surely drinks sales could cover the cost. Heck, next year use the money spent on the strongman thing to pay for the headphones or even charge a deposit for the headphones.

Only solution I can think to this question, personally I fall somewhere inbetween both sides of the argument.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby CylonKing » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:46 pm

Gandalf the Red wrote:Kiss - Heaven's On Fire

Please god, not Heavens on f*cking Fire yet again!
Not I Was Made for Lovin' You and especially not Crazy flippin Nights.

If you are going to play Kiss, it has to be Unholy or I Just Wanna!

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As has been mentioned, it is all about balance. At that time of night most people want to dance and carry on the party. Last year we waited in the tent for a few songs each night and after not hearing something to dance to that was recognised we ended up leaving, which actually was probably for the best after only just surviving the mornings after. You need the floor fillers, the recognisable tunes to get people dancing and keep them there, with a few different choices from well known bands thrown in (i.e. why play Unskinny Bop when Valley of Souls is just 3 tracks previous on the same album) and chuck in a few more obscure, different things to mix it up, which allows people who don't want to dance to go for a toilet or drink break!

Think opening up the other tent for 'different' styles of music is a great idea actually, bit more of an option for people who want other stuff to dance to.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby metalicbear » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:48 pm

Gandalf the Red wrote:
Half of the songs I picked were upbeat. I avoided anything slow and morose. Didn't pick any Doom, Black and very little Death. Hell, I even put in dollops of cheese. If you can't flirt and dance to stuff like Motley Crue, Van Halen and Quiet Riot, but can to Pantera then there's something wrong.



The bands aren't the problem, it's the choice of songs.

Why would you have The Road Crew when you could have Born to Raise Hell.
Likewise why have an 8 minute Disposable Heroes with a slow and sluggish 2 minute intro when you could choose a quicker ferocious Metallica song like Fuel.

No offence but your list looks like a list where you have purposefully chosen alternative songs to the more popular ones and instead your list looks it woul turn people away from a club night.

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Postby tmcgoay » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:44 pm

Gandalf the Red wrote:Easy. Although I'll be avoiding the likes of Drowning Pool as most of my clubbing was done pre Millennium. :P


And trying to avoid obvious songs like Number of the Beast and Ace Of Spades.


Heavy Metal classics.

Iron Maiden - Two Minutes To Midnight
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Motorhead - (We Are) The Road Crew
Scorpions - Big City Nights
Accept - Restless And Wild
Manowar - Fighting The World
Rainbow - Stargazer
Helloween - Future World
Dio - Rainbow In The Dark
Deep Purple - Highway Star
Megadeth - These Boots - just to piss the writer off :lol:


Slightly cheesy Hard Rock/Metal

Van Halen - Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Europe - Rock The Night
Whitesnake - Crying In The Rain
Motley Crue - Looks That Kill
Kiss - Heaven's On Fire
AC/DC - Big Balls
Quiet Riot - Cum On Feel The Noize

Extreme/obscure stuff

Obituary - Cause Of Death
Celtic Frost - Circle Of The Tyrants
Sabbat - For Those That Died
Bathory - A Fine Day To Die
Napalm Death - Suffer The Children
Sodom - Napalm In The Morning
Tankard - (Empty) Tankard
Sepultura - Troops Of Doom

Bloodstock favourites (bands that have played or due to play more than once)

Saxon - And The Bands Played On
Twisted Sister - I am (I'm Me)
Carcass - No Love Lost
Blind Guardian - The Bards Song
Hell - On Earth As It Is In Hell
Testament - Over The Wall
Sabaton - Cliffs Of Gallipoli
Exodus - Piranha
Turisas - To Holmgard And Beyond
Kreator - Flag Of Hate
Primal Fear - Metal Is Forever
Amon Amarth - The Pursuit of Vikings
Slayer - Altar Of Sacrifice
Evil Scarecrow - Robototron :P


Just needs a bit of randomness and that should keep people occupied for a while.

so you are planning a setlist for the full 3 hours?
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby houston4044 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:00 pm

metalicbear wrote:
The bands aren't the problem, it's the choice of songs.

Why would you have The Road Crew when you could have Born to Raise Hell.
Likewise why have an 8 minute Disposable Heroes with a slow and sluggish 2 minute intro when you could choose a quicker ferocious Metallica song like Fuel.

No offence but your list looks like a list where you have purposefully chosen alternative songs to the more popular ones and instead your list looks it woul turn people away from a club night.


I have to side with Gandalf on this one, choices of songs are very personal so never going to please everyone but at the same time he's picked songs by bands people will recognize near instantly (who wouldn't recognize Lemmy's vocals?).

I've been to nightclubs where it's not the song* that's been played (off the top of my head SOAD's Violent Pornography over Chop Suey and RATM's Guerilla Radio over Killing in the name) but at the end of the day if it's a good song I doubt many would care. Whose going to leave because the DJ played Trooper over Run to the Hills? In which case this whole DJ thing is inconsequential because apparently the punters are so fickle that if that one song out of a band's catalogue isn't played then they will leave.

*Admittedly that doesn't count for one hit wonder bands, if the DJ played something other than Bodies by Drowning Pool then yeah, you have a point.

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Warlock » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:40 am

metalicbear wrote:My idea of a club night is people drinking, dancing, flirting and having a good time.

I don't think it should be people sat in a corner of a room talking or looking bored.

You want a good fun atmosphere, you want recognisable songs that everyone knows and will enjoy, whether they're singing along, dancing or whatever.

A lot of the songs on these lists are terrible choices because people are trying to choose alternative songs to the tried and tested just to be different.


Yes I totally agree! My point is that you can achieve all that without having to resort to dull by the numbers choices. I'm not saying playing obscure stuff, but would nice to have big songs like Circle of The Tyrants and Suffer the Children by the more extreme bands but when it comes to the mainstream stuff not the obvious hits, like with Metallica instead of Enter Sandman or Master of Puppets, why not Seek and Destroy, The Four Horsemen, For whom the Bell Tolls, Creeping Death, The Thing that should not be, Leaper Messiah etc. Instead of stuff like Disturbed Get Down with the Sickness or SOAD Chop suey and Slipknot - Before I Forget why not something a bit more Bloodstock like Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Accept, Dimmu Borgir, Amon Amarth, and then some classics like Motorhead, Saxon, Judas Priest, Wasp etc, and maybe a few boncy mainstream tunes like The Prodigy - Fire Starter, Korn - A.D.I.D.A.S Rammstein - Sonne, Slipknot - Left Behind, Rob Zombie - Super Beast etc mixed up with stuff like Machine Head, Sepultura, Lamb of God, Fear Factory etc with lighter stuff like Nirvana, Marlyn Manson, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple etc with a few extreme bands mixed in for good measure, just off the top of my head

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Postby Warlock » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:59 am

houston4044 wrote:I've been to nightclubs where it's not the song* that's been played (off the top of my head SOAD's Violent Pornography over Chop Suey and RATM's Guerilla Radio over Killing in the name) but at the end of the day if it's a good song I doubt many would care. Whose going to leave because the DJ played Trooper over Run to the Hills? In which case this whole DJ thing is inconsequential because apparently the punters are so fickle that if that one song out of a band's catalogue isn't played then they will leave.


Yeah I totally agree and I think that Iron Maiden example is perfect, I can't stand hearing Run to the Hills, and the Trooper is a great song that I'd much rather hear and would still be big enough to please the mainstream wilst also appealing to the more hardcore fans.
But yeah it maybe the case that the punters at that time are so fickle, I just hope it isn't true, I like to think that Bloodstock goers would have a different attitude to that. I think in most cases they are big into bands, not just the singles. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the singles or big hits and enjoying them, it's just the people that will only listen to them is what annoys me

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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:17 am

metalicbear wrote:
Gandalf the Red wrote:
Half of the songs I picked were upbeat. I avoided anything slow and morose. Didn't pick any Doom, Black and very little Death. Hell, I even put in dollops of cheese. If you can't flirt and dance to stuff like Motley Crue, Van Halen and Quiet Riot, but can to Pantera then there's something wrong.



The bands aren't the problem, it's the choice of songs.

Why would you have The Road Crew when you could have Born to Raise Hell.
Likewise why have an 8 minute Disposable Heroes with a slow and sluggish 2 minute intro when you could choose a quicker ferocious Metallica song like Fuel.

No offence but your list looks like a list where you have purposefully chosen alternative songs to the more popular ones and instead your list looks it woul turn people away from a club night.



I was picking a few songs of what I would like as requested. Certain people were saying that you can't make a setlist without all the crap that they play in your local club.

Unlike the 4DJOTA that play the same Pantera song four or five times on the same night. At least I won't shout "Dimebag" over any of my choices. :lol:

You've got to remember IT'S NOT A CLUB NIGHT in "insert town here". It's a festival.
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Postby Gandalf the Red » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:44 am

bloodofthekings wrote:. As for rules three and four, the DJs are not there to sell alcohol. It's a metal festival - the alcohol will sell itself. As a DJ you are there to keep the dancefloor busy - not to appeal to people who just want to stand around drinking and talking.


Erm. Yes they are. That's the whole point of having a beer tent. If it wasn't there for that reason then they would let you in with your cheap cans from Lidl. No. They charge you £4 or so for a lukewarm beer that been standing at the side for half an hour instead. So you stand around in the tent and put money over the bar or you go back to your own tent and drink your own beer.

I don't understand the "dancefloor" ideas. It's not a dancefloor, it's a section next to the sound desk in a tent. :lol:

If it wasn't for people drinking the beer at the bars then I doubt the festival would last very long. That's why they are so strict on letting the stuff in. I remember when it was a small festival that they let you in with your drinks, including crates of Dog. Those days are gone I'm afraid.

You make sense with the rest of it. :yes:
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Postby tmcgoay » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:28 pm

If i had to spin the decks for an hour it might go a little something like this
Ozzy osbourne – Crazy Train
Dream Evil – The book of heavy metal
Rammstein – Engel
Korpiklaani – Happy little boozer
Fleshgod Apocalypse – The Violation
Metallica – All Nightmare long
Slayer – Seasons in the Abyss
Motorhead – Killed by death
Carcass – Heartwork
Black Sabbath – War pigs
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Beermageddon '12, '13, '14, '15, `16, `17, `18
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Bisset » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:13 pm

I miss the karaoke, it was always a good laugh and I always tried to get up there.

Unpopular opinion but hey (and completely off topic to the walls of text assaulting this post!)
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Postby Tet » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:27 pm

Yes, I always thought karaoke was amusing at the end of the night.
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Re: Late night entertainment on the SL stage

Postby Gandalf the Red » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:12 am

It depends on whose doing it. :oops:
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