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Postby Haldamir319 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:22 pm

metaldinosaur wrote:I agree with the FB post. The lineup is varied, and so it should be. Many types of metal have specialist fests for their band, Bloodstock however, is catering for a wide range of tastes, and I think it does it well. I certainly don't like everything, but that is to be expected.


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Postby Skippy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:47 pm

The problem with the lineup at the minute isn't that it isn't varied, it's that it's not balanced. The Friday is mostly power/heavy metal - traditional Bloodstock bands, the Saturday is chasing the hardcore kids and the Sunday is more classic rock/metal, at least at the minute.

It's also very safe. They've booked bands that either play every other year or so (Bodom, Dimmu, Anthrax, Sabaton all in high slots) or obvious choices they should have booked recently (Powerwolf, Cradle, Eluveitie, even Tesseract to a degree). Maybe that's to make up for the risks they have taken (Parkway and Scorpions being the bigger ones) but I get the feeling they've ended up with a lineup noone is too enthused about.
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Postby Gandalf the Red » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:17 pm

Haldamir319 wrote:Saw this posted on the official Bloodstock FB group:

"You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't."

I've been on the Bloodstock forums and on here for about 6 years now and the most common complaints/criticisms etc of the line ups have been similar most years.

"Bloodstock is too focussed on heavy aggression, it needs more melodic bands"

2019: Sabaton and Scorpions headlining. Ross The Boss also announced.

"Needs more folky stuff"

2019: Grand Magus and Eluveitie headlining Sophie Stage.

"Black Metal is really lacking"
2019: Cradle Of Filth for the first time in years and Dimmu Borgir in a sub headliner spot.

"Black metal doesn't belong outside though."
2019: Rotting Christ and Taake headlining the Sophie Tent.

"Isn't Bloodstock like proper elitst though?"
2019: Parkway Drive headlining. Code Orange, Thy Art Is Murder and Cancer Bats all on the main stage.

"I don't get these modern bands, where's the stuff for an old thrasher like myself?"
2019: Anthrax sub headliners, Metal Church and Death Angel booked.

"What about classic rock stuff though?"
2019: Queensryche in a UK Festival Exclusive and Dee Snider booked.

"Any melodeath?"
2019: Soilwork, Hypocrisy and Children Of Bodom booked.

I mean, if you just don't like the bands announced that's totally fine but some of the flak is baffling to say the least for this year.

Almost 2 entire stages still to book also bear in mind.


There's a few liberties been taken with the genres (Grand Magus folk? Metal Church thrash?), but I think there is a point in here - they can't please everyone.


The problem is with that post is most of the bands being highlighted as being of a genre either aren't in that particular genre or are very poor examples of that genre.

No "true" Black Metal fan would like COF or DB, and Rotting Christ aren't even BM for example. Seems someone has seen RCs name and assumed they are Black Metal, Dave Mustaine perhaps? :P

If anything the problem with the line up is they are trying to book everything without booking anything of substance.
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Postby Soze » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:45 pm

I believe that post was made by Simon Hall himself, in direct response to complaints on the forum. There's a lot of fluidity in metal genres but Gandalf is right, Dimmu, RC and Cradle aren't going to placate black metal fans and neither are Metal Church thrash. Grand Magus certainly aren't folk. But the point is a valid one, it's a diverse line up.

The complaints in here are because we're all (or mostly) veterans of the festival and came to it because we never wanted metalcore, hardcore, jumpdafuck up bands at Bloodstock. I think most in here are very happy with the Friday and Sunday but that Saturday is horrible. Replace PD, Thy Art, Cancer Bats, Evil Scarecrow and Code Orange with a different headliner, even a Slayer repeat or a Saxon 40th anniversary, plus say Sacred Reich, Dark Tranquillity, Finntroll and Hammerfall...or a Deicide, Carcass or Marduk...and you'd still have diversity but the sort of diversity regular attendees are interested in. If they're chasing a new crowd though, fair enough. It is what it is, I don't have to go anymore!

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Postby metalicbear » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:30 pm

In the last 2 years the UKs Premier metal festival has missed out on -

Manowar's last UK show
Slayer's last UK show
Saxon's 40th anniversary
Helloween Pumpkins United
King Diamond
Avantasia
Emperor
Demons & Wizards
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Postby Gandalf the Red » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:43 pm

Emperor played last year. Unless I had consumed too much Hobgoblin and imagined it. :lol:
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Postby Tet » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:44 pm

kanet666 wrote:It's amazing how they've managed to turn what many were saying was shaping to be a the best lineup in years into one that no one cares about :lol:

Really? For me, it's still the best lineup they've had in years. Sure, I could do without Parkway Drive, Cancer Bats, Code Orange and Thy Art Is Murder. The Saturday main stage is an absolute steaming pile of shit. But they've booked so many bands I do want to see that I'm looking forward to Bloodstock in 2019 more than I have for a very long time. I'm more than happy for them to book a few bands to appease those with different tastes in metal to me. I wish they hadn't put them all on the same day, mind. But maybe that's a deliberate ploy to shift day tickets?
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Postby Gandalf the Red » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:53 pm

I have to agree with Kanet there. It started out good, but the last few announcements have been mostly atrocious.

I don't expect that to improve with the last few "name" bands. They've probably sold enough early tickets to not care. It'll just be filler.
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Postby houston4044 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:34 pm

Haldamir319 wrote:Saw this posted on the official Bloodstock FB group:

"You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't."

I've been on the Bloodstock forums and on here for about 6 years now and the most common complaints/criticisms etc of the line ups have been similar most years.

I mean, if you just don't like the bands announced that's totally fine but some of the flak is baffling to say the least for this year.


I get their point but they're looking at it the wrong way. This line up may/may not be better than previous years but what has changed has been the way they approached their PR. They've painted this as an "us vs them" situation and stirred things up with the way they handled the PwD announcement. That and they seem to be under the belief that people are going to approach this in a calm and rational response; seemingly taken by surprise that people on the internet will leave it as "yeah but x is shit, I want Y".

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Postby Methuen » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:01 am

houston4044 wrote:
Haldamir319 wrote:Saw this posted on the official Bloodstock FB group:

"You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't."

I've been on the Bloodstock forums and on here for about 6 years now and the most common complaints/criticisms etc of the line ups have been similar most years.

I mean, if you just don't like the bands announced that's totally fine but some of the flak is baffling to say the least for this year.


I get their point but they're looking at it the wrong way. This line up may/may not be better than previous years but what has changed has been the way they approached their PR. They've painted this as an "us vs them" situation and stirred things up with the way they handled the PwD announcement. That and they seem to be under the belief that people are going to approach this in a calm and rational response; seemingly taken by surprise that people on the internet will leave it as "yeah but x is shit, I want Y".


The live chat thing they did was nothing but "we love Parkway Drive" as well. I think someone hurt their feelings, a lot. That or PD's promoters were horrified by the whole thing & cracked the whip.

As we've all said though - it's their trainset, and we don't have to go, plenty of festivals / events that don't book Kerrang TV's running order.
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Postby WorMzy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:04 pm

They've only played 40 songs in the past 28 days? If it wasn't for the lack of Pantera ~ Walk, I'd be convinced Kerrang was being run by the 4 DJs of the Apocalypse.
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Postby Gandalf the Red » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:39 pm

But it's a good indication of the moronic crap they are playing and the audience that Bloodstock seem to be trying to attract. Don't forget they are regularly posting links to Kerrang and Kerrang Radio on the FB page.

Teenage Dirtbag is their fifth most played song. Is that the best that "modern" commercial Rock radio can do?
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Postby Skippy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:07 pm

I do wonder just how clued in Vicky and the gang are about the current scene. They seem to have completely passed over bands that would be broken by Bloodstock a few years back - Batushka, The Ocean, Zeal and Ardor, Beast in Black and Unleash the Archers just to name a few seem like the kind of bands that Bloodstock would have given a slot, and promoted the hell out of a few years ago - now they've all got sizable followings in this country without playing the "UK's premier metal festival". You have smaller festivals with less metal credentials stealing big names - Arctangent with Cult of Luna and Meshuggah, Boomtown with Napalm Death and Extreme Noise Terror for example. Obviously Download getting more metal doesn't help, but it shouldn't hurt that bad either. Bloodstock just seem like a step behind right now.
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Re: Next Announcement

Postby J.Ross29 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:22 pm

metalicbear wrote:In the last 2 years the UKs Premier metal festival has missed out on -

Manowar's last UK show
Slayer's last UK show
Saxon's 40th anniversary
Helloween Pumpkins United
King Diamond
Avantasia
Emperor
Demons & Wizards
Rose Tattoo
Krokus' last ever tour


Most of which wont be around in another 10 years or so. It should come as no surprise that a lot of fans are in fact sick of 40 years of Saxon (personally thats forty years too long but thats just me) King Diamond just cant hack it anymore and his most recent live album is pretty sad. Helloween and Manowar sound like rip off merchants judging by the amount of 'bloodstock cant afford them' comments. I don't think anyone is saying you have to like it but the bands that have been booked WILL be around in 10 years whether you are a fan or not.

Another megadeth or slayer booking would have made me think twice before buying a ticket but as I am seeing something different I am greatly looking forward to it. I should add as a disclaimer that I am no Parkway fan, hadn't heard of thy art before they were announced and have always approached bands like CoF with the appropriate pinch of salt but you know what? I haven't seen any of them before and vs the 4 times I have seen slayer and the 5 times I have seen megadeth that is pretty refreshing. I love checking out new music (or music thats new to me) and that is one of the greatest things about a festival. Discovering hidden gems amongst a genre or style you would normally go for.

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Postby Gandalf the Red » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:44 pm

J.Ross29 wrote:
metalicbear wrote:In the last 2 years the UKs Premier metal festival has missed out on -

Manowar's last UK show
Slayer's last UK show
Saxon's 40th anniversary
Helloween Pumpkins United
King Diamond
Avantasia
Emperor
Demons & Wizards
Rose Tattoo
Krokus' last ever tour


Most of which wont be around in another 10 years or so. It should come as no surprise that a lot of fans are in fact sick of 40 years of Saxon (personally thats forty years too long but thats just me) King Diamond just cant hack it anymore and his most recent live album is pretty sad. Helloween and Manowar sound like rip off merchants judging by the amount of 'bloodstock cant afford them' comments. I don't think anyone is saying you have to like it but the bands that have been booked WILL be around in 10 years whether you are a fan or not.

Another megadeth or slayer booking would have made me think twice before buying a ticket but as I am seeing something different I am greatly looking forward to it. I should add as a disclaimer that I am no Parkway fan, hadn't heard of thy art before they were announced and have always approached bands like CoF with the appropriate pinch of salt but you know what? I haven't seen any of them before and vs the 4 times I have seen slayer and the 5 times I have seen megadeth that is pretty refreshing. I love checking out new music (or music thats new to me) and that is one of the greatest things about a festival. Discovering hidden gems amongst a genre or style you would normally go for.


It may be worth pointing out why the festival existed in the first place.

It was started because Saxon wanted to play a UK date and no promoter would put them on. So their friend put his money where his mouth was and booked a venue and filled it with some of his favourite and local bands. Then he decided to make it a regular festival as an antidote to Download.


Unfortunately his children are now turning it into the very thing which it was against.


As for comments that Manowar and Helloween are rip off merchants. Do people think that Parkway Drive are playing for free? I would expect them to be charging as much as, if not more than Manowar would be charging. Do you really think they would be playing a small venue in Birmingham if they were just in it for the money? I doubt they are even covering their costs.

I know how much Judas Priest got paid and it was well into seven figures. I would assume the Scorpions are getting a similar figure. Yet people expect other bands to play for a pittance...
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