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Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:37 pm
by bloodofthekings
jwh20 wrote:Other than having heard the name I know nothing about Architects, I couldn't name a song or album, or even tell you what subgenre they are. Are they post-metal, deathcore, djent, metalcore, hardcore, prog? I genuinely have no idea. They're so far off my radar I couldn't tell you whether they play 500,1500,5000 or arena size venues. Parkway Drive I'm much more aware of, even before the announcement. Is that just me, or just how bad it's gotten.


A quick google of their recent UK tour in January showed that they played the SSE Arena in London if that's any use for reference.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:59 pm
by Haldamir319
That's interesting. Def Leppard, Nightwish and A Perfect Circle all played there recently (and Alice in Chains are soon). So that's pretty big.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:02 pm
by jwh20
Yeah, that's pretty big. So am I just totally out of the loop, or are they really not a Bloodstock (or just a proper metal, seeing as that's not what bloodstock band means anymore) kind of a band?

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:02 pm
by Haldamir319
They are metalcore, I believe.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:30 pm
by varangian
Been said before but Metalcore if the festival is going to try and carry on is not by any means the most popular style of the genre
Easy to point out its highly favored by the festival organizers and been largely looked on as not a positive either in style of music or booking by the percentage using this forum, particularly in the higher spots on the bill.
Definitely it would worry more than a few regulars if the like of Architects like PD were announced given that not one single person had requested them in the Wishlist
Certainly I dont believe that BOA is narrow minded or the fans, the music on offer has huge scope most years but if as a promoter I suddenly put on Heart, REO Speedwagon and FM on a days bill there would be questions right?

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:41 pm
by Methuen
Haldamir319 wrote:They are metalcore, I believe.


I read that in the tones of some historic general

"Men, the French are coming..."

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:31 pm
by Black Wizard
Architects are a lot like Parkway Drive I think. The kind of Metal band that NME likes and can get mainstage slots at Reading/Leeds festivals. I saw them at Reading Festival a couple of years ago. They were fine but I'm not interested in their music and they'd be a shit Bloodstock headliner. The worst thing about their set was that they got all the brainwashed teenagers to sing "Oh Jeremy Corbyn". I don't want bands to glorify politicians.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:12 am
by kurrupo
Black Wizard wrote:Architects are a lot like Parkway Drive I think. The kind of Metal band that NME likes and can get mainstage slots at Reading/Leeds festivals. I saw them at Reading Festival a couple of years ago. They were fine but I'm not interested in their music and they'd be a shit Bloodstock headliner. The worst thing about their set was that they got all the brainwashed teenagers to sing "Oh Jeremy Corbyn". I don't want bands to glorify politicians.


Funnily enough I was reading about their affiliation with Corbyn yesterday. Apparently they tried to get him to give a speech before their sold out Alexsandra Palace gig too. I'm not one of these people who says 'keep politics out of music' but that is a step too far. It's just alienating part of your fan base and making people who don't agree with your views feel wrong for not having the same opinions. So much for the inclusivity they always preach about, 'we're open and inclusive to absolutely everyone... unless you disagree with us, in which case you can fuck off'. I can't stand Corbyn so would personally feel uncomfortable if I was at a gig where that happened. The double standards are great though, imagine the media outrage if a band tried to start a 'we love Donald trump' chant :lol:

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:49 pm
by Black Wizard
kurrupo wrote:Funnily enough I was reading about their affiliation with Corbyn yesterday. Apparently they tried to get him to give a speech before their sold out Alexandra Palace gig too. I'm not one of these people who says 'keep politics out of music' but that is a step too far. It's just alienating part of your fan base and making people who don't agree with your views feel wrong for not having the same opinions. So much for the inclusivity they always preach about, 'we're open and inclusive to absolutely everyone... unless you disagree with us, in which case you can fuck off'. I can't stand Corbyn so would personally feel uncomfortable if I was at a gig where that happened. The double standards are great though, imagine the media outrage if a band tried to start a 'we love Donald trump' chant :lol:

Exactly, or if a band got everyone chanting "Brexit means Brexit". That would be hilarious though. What I found particularly distasteful about Architects getting the crowd at Reading Festival to chant "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" was that attendees at Reading Festival are not big voters. Much of the Reading crowd is under 18 and it feels like brainwashing to me. I don't think festivals should allow that sort of thing from performers. I seem to remember reading that Wacken banned performers from talking about politics during their set a couple of years ago.

i0th wrote:If they're that left leaning and opening support Corbyn in their set then presumably they're lyrically of that persuasion as well so right wingers would already be alienated? It's like a UKIP supporter enjoying Rage Against The Machine, the fuck are you doing?

A quick check of Wikipedia suggests that they cover a variety of themes in their lyrics and apparently wanted to stop writing political lyrics and make music that appeals to everybody. I can listen to music which is promoting political views that I disagree with, as long as I don't feel that a particular viewpoint is being shoved down my throat or and the subject matter isn't too extreme/distasteful. It's like how we can listen to Metal songs with Satanic or violent lyrics and still be respectable, functioning member of society - I'm assuming that you all are.

I don't agree with Dave Mustaine's or Jon Schaffer's political views (and some of Dave's lyrical themes have been ridiculous recently), but I can still enjoy their music. Thankfully neither turns their concerts into a pro-Trump rally though! Bruce Dickinson is also openly Conservative (not JRM Conservative though) and has been vocal in his support for Brexit. I don't agree with his reasons for supporting Brexit but I am still a fan of his music. He also doesn't talk about politics at Iron Maiden concerts thankfully, and instead does the whole "we don't care if you're gay or black etc because you all like Metal" instead before boring everyone with 'Blood Brothers'. But perhaps the next Iron Maiden album will have a song about Brexit. Who knows. :P

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:14 pm
by Soze
Political lyrics are ok if I agree with them :lol: I'm fairly left/central politically and to be honest, I can't think of many particularly right wing artists at all, let alone any I like. Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Vikernes...I'd imagine Slayer, Manowar and Metallica lean to the right but none of them are very political :? I'm not sure where the hell Mustaine sits nowadays.

If it's a lyric I agree with it can add a bit of fire to the song but I can understand why some would find it alienating. I would struggle to sing along to a song where I vehemently disagreed with the lyrics. I saw a folk punk band called Ferocious Dogs the other year, they did the whole 'oooh Jeremy Corbyn' thing, a mate of mine was particularly stoney faced during it as she's very much a Tory voter (and the Levellers are one of her favourite bands so she clearly isn't fussed about lyrical content generally :lol: ). I'm ambivalent towards the guy personally, can't honestly say there's ever been a politician I've liked enough to sing triumphant songs about!

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:13 pm
by houston4044
Methuen wrote:
Haldamir319 wrote:They are metalcore, I believe.


I read that in the tones of some historic general

"Men, the French are coming..."


We shall fight them in the fields, we shall fight them by the Sophie tent, we will not lose our festival, we shall not surrender our beers; whatever the (ridiculous) cost of them maybe. Image

Soze wrote: I'm not sure where the hell Mustaine sits nowadays.


Still on the right, there was an interview not so long ago where he said he hasn't changed his beliefs but won't air them as publicly anymore.

I don't mind political lyrics/themes in music, hell most of my favorite bands predominately write political songs. However not a big fan of bands endorsing a particular party/politician so overtly. Leave it to the fans to make up their own minds.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:27 pm
by Cassius
Personally think a band should be able to say whatever the fuck they like on stage really unless its outright Nazi hate speech or something similar thats illegal

I mean if politics becomes taboo doesnt a load of other stuff naturally follow? For example do we tell Watain to stop pushing their religion on stage?

Though really it should be in theme at least. Would be a bit weird if a fun light hearted band started banging on about this sort of stuff

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:22 am
by houston4044
Cassius wrote:I mean if politics becomes taboo doesnt a load of other stuff naturally follow? For example do we tell Watain to stop pushing their religion on stage?

Though really it should be in theme at least. Would be a bit weird if a fun light hearted band started banging on about this sort of stuff


If you're the Singapore Government you do.

(not a metal band) but NoFx seem to have made the jump quite well, although admittedly they still make the light hearted songs.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:48 am
by bloodofthekings
Black Wizard wrote:I don't think festivals should allow that sort of thing from performers. I seem to remember reading that Wacken banned performers from talking about politics during their set a couple of years ago.


The situation with Wacken is very different and needs to be viewed with historical context as to why those restrictions exist in the first place.

Generally speaking, I don't think we should be arguing for a scenario where festival promoters can restrict a band's freedom of speech like that as you start stepping into very dodgy territory. As others have said, as long as a band isn't up on stage preaching hate speech and seriously advocating violence against a group of people, then they should be allowed to say whatever the fuck they want.

Creating more and more avenues for people to escape hearing views they may not agree with lest someone's precious sensibilities are offended is a massive contributing factor to the terrible quality of political debate we currently have in this country already - it doesn't need to be made any worse.

Re: Next Announcement

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:47 pm
by Skippy
While the Corbyn thing is tacky, if the band really believe in him then they have every right to shout whatever they want on stage. Hell, if you want to preach your Nazi hate speeches if you really want, it's a show at the end of the day and if it contributes to the show, I'm all for it. People need to learn to make up their own minds about things like that and not be influenced by things like that.

I was watching footage from a dance festival the other day which was basically Colonel Sanders doing a DJ set. I'm wondering if that's the way live music is going to go - sure, there are stage sponsorships and endorsements for musicians, but I don't think we're far away from companies paying bands to stop on stage and talk about Coca Cola for 5 minutes.