The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

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How will you vote in the 2019 UK General Election?

Conservative
1
6%
Labour
7
41%
Liberal Democrat
4
24%
SNP
0
No votes
Brexit
1
6%
Green
2
12%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
0
No votes
Won't Vote
2
12%
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby someone else » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:42 pm

Don't know how for the rabbit hole into conspiracy territory this goes, but the 'Independent Group' is not a political party, its a loose collective of MPs but the group is registered as a private company. This means its not subject to the same disclosure, funding and discipline codes of conduct that a party is.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby houston4044 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:37 pm

someone else wrote:Don't know how for the rabbit hole into conspiracy territory this goes, but the 'Independent Group' is not a political party, its a loose collective of MPs but the group is registered as a private company. This means its not subject to the same disclosure, funding and discipline codes of conduct that a party is.


Wouldn't bother going into the rabbit hole as it's so they can receive funding/make group expenditures. I imagine if an election went ahead they'd stand as independents and fund their campaigns from this company. Doubt they'll form a party anytime soon as that would limit who would join them (one of the reasons they're going to stay as vague as possible on most policies).

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby metaldinosaur » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:29 am

The mps who have broken away are all neo-liberal centrist types, I'm guessing it will be a Blair style party!
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:14 pm

A description of the Labour party I just read: "a disgusting mixture of hard-Left creeps and robotic Blairite leftovers". Agree? :)
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:33 pm

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Haldamir319 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:20 am

Metalchemyst wrote:Try this quick test: https://www.psychologistworld.com/tests ... m-language


This is hilarious. It got me as 67% conservative... I'm fairly left wing.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:17 pm

Haldamir319 wrote:
Metalchemyst wrote:Try this quick test: https://www.psychologistworld.com/tests ... m-language


This is hilarious. It got me as 67% conservative... I'm fairly left wing.
Left wing in what ways?
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Gandalf the Red » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:49 pm

It's just bog standard grammar traps.

For example.

A) Amanda is conservative.
B) Amanda is a conservative.

What does that even mean? Is she conservative when it comes to curtains or wallpaper? No bold choices, just beige...

Most people would pick A unless they mean the party. But the c is lower case which implies it's not talking about the political party.

Highlighting poor grammar in other words.

About as valid as those "tests" they have on the CBBC website to see what animal or cartoon character you are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/quizzes/type ... ity#filter
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:30 pm

^ The idea is that conservatives prefer clear, simple statements while liberals are more likely to beat around the bush in they way they write and speak. I've been reading some very interesting stuff on the general subject of liberals .V. conservatives:

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". . . Psychologically, what we find empirically is that people who identify as conservative tend to like order and predictability, whereas people who identify as liberal, they like variety and diversity. I have one study where we have dots moving around on a screen. Conservatives like the images where the dots are moving around more in lockstep with each other. Liberals like it when it’s all chaotic and random.

. . . Jonathan Haidt does describe five primary moral foundations that are held across individuals and cultures. People who are liberal and conservative, he says, value two of these in common, compassion and fairness. But conservatives simultaneously juggle three other moral values — of loyalty, authority, and sanctity."

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:03 pm

This is a proper test: https://www.idrlabs.com/morality/6/test.php

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Your morality is closest to that of a Conservative.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:46 pm

It's looking like 5 more years of a Conservative government, then 5 more after that if Labour insist on having a woman leader after Jeremy Corbyn.
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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby bloodofthekings » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:32 am

Metalchemyst wrote:It's looking like 5 more years of a Conservative government, then 5 more after that if Labour insist on having a woman leader after Jeremy Corbyn.


Why would having a female leader make a difference?

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Black Wizard » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:09 pm

It would only make a difference if that female leader is Diane Abbott, or perhaps Emily Thornberry.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby bloodofthekings » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:09 pm

Black Wizard wrote:It would only make a difference if that female leader is Diane Abbott, or perhaps Emily Thornberry.


There are many Labour voters (me included) who see Diane Abbott as a liability. Then again, in terms of gaffes and errors I would argue that Boris has been just as bad over the years.

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Re: The UK political thread (formerly independence thread)

Postby Metalchemyst » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:37 pm

bloodofthekings wrote:
Metalchemyst wrote:It's looking like 5 more years of a Conservative government, then 5 more after that if Labour insist on having a woman leader after Jeremy Corbyn.

Why would having a female leader make a difference?

I didn't mean that Labour couldn't have a good female leader in theory - just that the ones now being talked about as successors to Corbyn are not impressive.
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